Mary (Wade) Harrigan - Brooker, Convict “Lady Juliana” 1790 - Mary Wade' s Parents

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I wonder why not research is comsulted for this importand profile?
This is taken from Wikipedia, which also provides sources

Researchers in the 1980s believed that Wade was born on the 5th of October 1777 at Southwark, London, to Mary English and George Wade, and was christened on the 21st of December 1777 at Saint Olave, Southwark, Surrey, England

However, a later group of researchers, with access to records not previously available, now believe that Wade was born on the 17th of December 1775, in the parish of Westminster St Margaret and St John, Middlesex, to Lawrence Wade (died Aug 1794, Perkins Rents, Westminster) and Mary Smith (died Nov 1836, 5 New Court, Westminster), and was baptised on 7 January 1776, at St Margaret's, Westminster.

Evidence for her revised date of birth and parents includes:

- Her mother stated during the trial that her daughter was born in December.

- Mary Wade was living in St Margaret's parish in Westminster at the time of her arrest.

- Her death certificate records that she was born in Westminster.

Lawrence Wade died at Perkins Rents in 1794 - Mary was living there at the time of her trial.

As requested could you please load your sources onto Geni.

I cannot, I don't even know if they are digital.
But they are as follow:

[1]
Westminster Baptisms- Transcripts, Westminster Archives. ST MARGARET, WESTMINSTER, 1519 – 1921. Transcriptions © brightsolid online. Find My Past Website.
[2]
Burial books, 1783–1853 of St. John the Evangelist Church, Westminster. Transcripts @ Brightsolid. Find My Past Website.
[3]
Burial books, 1783–1853 of St. John the Evangelist Church, Westminster. Transcripts @ Brightsolid. Find My Past.
[4]
Westminster Baptisms- Transcripts, Westminster Archives. ST MARGARET, WESTMINSTER, 1519 – 1921. Transcriptions © brightsolid online. Find My Past Website

Without sources that we can actually see it is not possible for anyone to evaluate a different set of parents

The following sites have the same information as is on Geni

And some other sites have only recently been changed to include the possibility of a different set of parents. Again they have no sources that we can actually see to evaluate.

What do yuu mean withot sources? They are there and they can be uploaded if you are interested in correct information. Is this an IT issue about the Geni site technology or an issue about having the correct parents?
If I should upload the sources of her Birth etc that would, accordig to the same logic, be incorrect sources before you have decided wrther to follow the current position of research or not.

Websites are NOT sources. It is the actual church records that are the sources, and as far as I can see they are digitalized. You still would have to evaluate the information, this is what disusdion is in terms of proper research.

Private User I think what Leanne is saying is that the "sources" you have mentioned in your earlier post: https://www.geni.com/discussions/252671?msg=1576743 are merely references to a commercial website called Find My Past.

For anyone without a paid membership to that website there is no way to view or evaluate the supposed records, so they for all intents and purposes they don't have any value.

If _you_ have access to that website then you could upload copies of the records to Geni, or some other publicly viewable platform, with the appropriate attribution and then everyone could view it. Otherwise you are just expecting us to take your word for it with no evidence, and that is not how collaborative research works (whether it be genealogy or any other field).

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