Sir Richard Armiger Travers - Possible source?

Started by Keri Denise Jackson, ♊ Twin "A" on Tuesday, July 19, 2022
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Managers of Sir Richard Armiger Travers,

I am contacting you about this profile: Sir Richard Travers

Looking unsuccessfully for relationships of Rev. John Travers in Ireland, I came across a family tree at https://archive.org/details/miscellaneagenea4191bann/page/360/mode/...
which gives a link between Sir Richard here and Bryan Travers (Bryan Travers).

I leave it to you to judge whether the link can be reasonably accepted.

Sincerely,

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Unless I'm mistaken, I believe you are looking for John Travers

who definitely was not a "Rev.", so should not be confused with Rev. John Travers (their dates don't match either).

The latter was the rector of Farringdon in Devon, and there is nothing to show he was ever in Ireland. But that's neither here nor there because again, the dates don't match up.

https://media.geni.com/p13/13/1e/ae/cc/5344485e5ed70969/pedigree_wi...

https://archive.org/details/pedigreewithbiog00trav/page/6/mode/1up?...

However, currently my 9th g-grandfather's first wife (mother of my half-uncle) is erroneously showing up as the 1st cousin Sir Richard Travers through a faulty and inconsistent line created by improper merges ignoring the source provided.

This merge is problematic because the maiden name of Walter Travers' wife is unknown, as is her ancestry. It also now oddly portrays her with both a husband and a father with the exact same surname. Her husband is proven; the father shown here is not.

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=81825008130

(Just a heads up, since the Travers surname was so common in England in those times and the different branches might be easily confused. And to be clear, I don't believe my family's Travers connections are in any proven way related to the ones listed in your source pedigree.)

I meant to point out that the merge of my ancestor's mother which created the false connections with this apparently unrelated branch of Travers -- also introduced unproven half-siblings for her mother who was merged: Anne (Unknown aka "Butler") Travers, in addition to the faulty ancestry. Her husband (Walter) and all of her children are correct.

It should have raised immediate doubt regardless, for the introduced maiden name of Butler to mismatch her alleged father's Travers surname. The merge is riddled with errors.

Furthermore, I find serious issues with the 'fact' that William Travers, Sr. fathered children who inherited their mother's maiden name (Preston). In historical genealogy that almost never happens with children of a married couple, unless there is a compelling reason for it.

I guess that is enough to work on for the time being. It's easy enough to find and point out obvious problems, but much more difficult and time-consuming to know how to fix them. I am only confident enough about the Travers branch with whom I am most familiar, and which I have already invested a great deal of time and effort.

(I started to create a separate discussion about the questionable merge, but being very tired I accidentally lost my rather lengthy data form. So I guess it is just as well, since the faulty connection(s) created by the merge make it relevant to both branches though they be unrelated -- and, it may be more efficient to address all of it at the same time.)

Let me clarify that the Rev. John Travers who I was investigating was 1771-1884 and most definitely in Ireland, son of John Travers a merchant. Nothing to do with either of the John Travers that Debra refers to.

The family tree in Miscellanea genealogical et heraldica which I linked to requires the insertion of an additional child for Sir Richard Armiger Travers so that a descent to Bryan Travers can be provided. I am not clear from what Debra says whether the errors she has found preclude this, but I am leaving it to the profile managers to decide on this.

Anne Travers Disconnected as child of William Travers, Sr.

What is the “Arminger” middle name?

Thank you Erica, you fixed it. And I apologize for having a hard time explaining the problem.

I’m cleaning / sourcing from the Travers top: Arnold ‘the Norman’ Travers

There were some minor fixes needed but not bad for empty profiles.

Richard Travers Is not par of the the Devon family, it’s a different Travers line.

Disconnected as son of Capt. Richard Travers, Armiger

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Here’s the Brion Travers whose son went to Ireland and continued the line.

Let me clarify that the Rev. John Travers who I was investigating was 1771-1884 and most definitely in Ireland, son of John Travers a merchant.

I don’t see this man yet, but the pedigree is done down to Rear-Admiral Sir Eaton Stannard Travers

Thanks to Erica Howton for clearing all this up, and apologies for forgetting to do the @ procedure which would have made my point simpler. (It usen't always work.) My @Rev. John Travers - see, he doesn't come up but he's Reverend John Travers - is someone who I felt should fit into the family somewhere on grounds of geographical propinquity (Westmeath/Offaly), and that's why I was looking at the family, but he must remain a mystery for the time being.

The trees make a lot more sense now. Glad to have looked into it.

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