Lazarus Lazarus Maddox, II - There were two of him and they have been Trash-Mergeed!

Thank you. I am aware that there are 2 Lazarus Maddox which is why I have them both in my tree as father and son. Btw I know for a fact that the Sr was born in 1655 and not 1677 as he was mentioned in his maternal grandfather's will. And who is Mary Bell and where did you get her from? She was not in any wills or any other documentation?

Although I do have Mount as a "possible" last name for Sarah, I marked it as not being confirmed, but with that said, I am not confident in any of the information you provided,
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Also there was a Alexander Maddox born about 1653 to Alexander Sr and his first wife Elizabeth. That Alexander Maddox married a woman named Mary Stevens. and they also had a son named Lazarus. Could you be mixing them up?

Not me, but possibly somebody. Check the Miles Files https://espl-genealogy.org/MilesFiles/site/index.htm (which I intend to do).

Hokay, first place it goes wrong is with Alexander Maddox I, who *is thought to have been* the son of *a* Thomas Maddox of London (who in his turn was the son of another Thomas Maddox, probably also of London, and a Rebecca somebody - no evidence for last name "Notley" here). This is recent information as of 8 Feb 2022 and as yet unverified (source: [S3181] Rob Hall (C.R.V. Hall) < and e-mail address>, Ancestors of Nicholas P. Cudnik (Email to M.K. Miles, 8 Feb 2022).

There is no evidence whatsoever for any connection to Wales.

Extant ships' records also have a John Maddox (age 43, sawyer) who went to Boston on the "Planter" in 1635 (arrived June 7, 1635). No record of any wife or child(ren) sailing with him, so presumably he came alone.

While there is a Thomas Maddox listed as "Dead" in the 1623/4 list (at "Warwick Squeak"), there are no living Maddoxes listed in it or in the 1624/5 Muster, so no clear connection to Alexander.

Regarding Alexander Maddox I, the records now give him only one son Alexander, by his second (not first) wife - remarriage record has been bumped up to "before 11 March 1650/51", implying that first wife Elizabeth died soon after the birth of daughter Ann ("c. 1650").

Alexander II married Mary Bell, not Stevens (there is no record of her having married anybody Stevens), daughter of Thomas Bell St and Mary Neale (daughter of Grace Neale Waters Robins' brother John).

Both Alexander II and his brother Lazarus I had sons named Lazarus and Alexander (and Thomas as well!).

Eastern Shore genealogy is incredibly bramble-bushy for various reasons, including continual intermarriage and excessive reuse of names from the same small stock.

WOW what a mess! Cleaning up all over the place, including a RHODE ISLAND Arnold who had somehow gotten dragged into it!

Rachel Maddox - can somebody find out her *real* statisitcs?

Even messier than I thought! Miles Files says one thing, Early Colonial Settlers says another, and they can't be reconciled.

https://espl-genealogy.org/MilesFiles/site/p771.htm#i77078

https://colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I98225&am...

Lazarus of Alexander gets very sketchy info: https://espl-genealogy.org/MilesFiles/site/p771.htm#i77069

I am at a loss how to parse this out.

Tagging:
Alexander Maddox I Alexander Maddox
Thomas Maddox I Thomas Maddox - needed extensive cleanup
Alexander Maddox II Alexander Maddox, II
Lazarus Maddox I Lazarus Maddox
Lazarus (of Lazarus I) Maddox Lazarus Maddox, II
Lazarus (of Alexander II) Maddox Lazarus (of Alexander II) Maddox

Explanation for the "Mary Stevens" malassumption appears to be that Mary Stevens Sr. (nee Melvin) named Mary (Bell) Maddox and son Lazarus in her will of 1 February 1720/21. (Her own daughter Mary was much too young to marry yet.) https://espl-genealogy.org/MilesFiles/site/p933.htm#i93259

You are definately mixing them up. You were referring to different Lazarus Maddox from the beginning of the conversation. Plus you are mixing them up with a whole other set of Maddox's that came to the Americas a little later

Anyone who tries to tie the Somerset County Maddoxes to the Maddoxes of Scethrog is taking a blind flying leap in the dark. (There have been a few people who have tried that!)

I'm trying to work with "just the facts", but there are damn few facts available - and by "facts" I *DO NOT* mean "family trees" or "family genealogies". They can be wrong, and have sometimes been *bizarrely* wrong (and occasionally outright fraudulent).

The Miles Files are a better source than most, because they *do* present facts when facts are available - but when even they have to rely on somebody's family history, well.... (And they're little to no help once a family gets off the Delmarva Peninsula.)

As for "different Lazarus Maddoxes", the Miles Files list *seven* of them, and *five* Alexander Maddoxes, and that's probably not all of them. https://espl-genealogy.org/MilesFiles/site/i189.htm#s2949

In regards to the Lazarus Maddox that cause you to initiate this conversation, it is clear that you confused them. The Lazarus Maddox who I have in my tree BORN 1655 would be the uncle of the Lazarus Maddox born 1677 that you conflated. Lazarus Maddox born 1655 was the BROTHER of the Alexander Maddox born 1653.That Alexander Maddox who married a woman named Mary is the ancestor of the line you are referring to.

You will also find a lot of attempts to jam all the immigrant Maddoxes into One Big Family - which is a very common error made by novice/incompetent/dishonest genealogists, and is usually way wrong.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/madoxETC_dna?iframe=ycolorized

In this specific instance, Y-DNA evidence shows that Alexander Maddox I and Dr. Edward Maddox were *not* closely related - were certainly not brothers, may possibly have been distant cousins at some fairly large remove, or not related this side of Charlemagne.

No further discussion is possible.

One final word of advice: *don't* try to conform the Geni tree to *your* personal tree, especially as you have presented *NO* evidence to support it, only screaming and bullying and harassing.

DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN!!!!!

Yes. I need for her to make sure that she know what she was talking about. She started off with mixing up the Lazarus Maddox born in 1677 with his uncle born in 1653 and she is not letting that information settle in. And then she is trying to force me to accept that Alexander Maddox II is Eleanor White's child when he was not. Her father would have included him in his will like he did ALL OF HIS GRANDCHILDREN, including Lazarus Maddox, if that was so. But she wants to force Alexander Maddox as Eleanor White's son because someone named Miles said so. I go off of real evidence not anyone babblings, not from anyone's pushing or demands, but evidence. And I don't accept alledged DNA evidence from sources that are not properly vetted.

Also I have no evidence that the mother of the original Alexander Maddox's children known as Elizabeth surname was Johnson.

Also when I explained that she mixed up the uncle with the nephew, her reply was "Come off of it" and then all the word salad information that proceeded and followed had nothing to do with this Maddox family. I am not sure what is going on with her personally but I am not looking for someone to pick an argument with me because they need some excitment online. It was not a productive conversation because she was all over the place and not able to recieve the fact that she mixed up the Lazarus Maddox that brought her to start this conversation, and to do all of this tagging an etc.

"If a connection between the brothers cannot be substantiated"

they are brothers, they have the same father but different mothers.