Jean MacRory - Alexander Stewart' wife

This configuration would look like this:

Jean
?d/o James Lord of Bute and Arran
x ?Alexander Stewart, High Steward of Scotland (s/o WALTER FitzAlan & Beatrice) (-1283)

• ?[JAMES (-young)
• ?JAMES ([1243]-16 Jul 1309)
• [?ELIZABETH] (-<1288)
• ?[ANDREW (->1350)
• ?JOHN [of Jedworth] (-1298

and has some validity here: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Alexander4Stewartdied1...
Balfour Paul names Jean as daughter of James Lord of Bute and Arran, and records her marriage to Alexander Stewart, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[1033]. Andrew McEwen suggests that there is no evidence to indicate that the wife of Alexander Stewart was the daughter of James Lord of Bute[1034]. Heiress of the isles of Bute and Arran. m ALEXANDER Stewart High Steward of Scotland, son of WALTER FitzAlan High Steward of Scotland & his wife Beatrice of Angus (-1283).] http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_ftnref1019

also here: Balfour Paul names Jean of Bute heiress of the Isles of Bute and Arran, daughter of James Lord of Bute and Arran & his wife ---, and records her marriage to Alexander Stewart (no primary source cited)[1216]. Andrew McEwen suggests that there is no evidence to indicate that the wife of Alexander Stewart was the daughter of James Lord of Bute[1217]. He adds that what evidence there is "suggests a double marriage alliance…about 1240 between Sir Walter fitz Alan II and Richard Comyn by which the Steward’s son and heir Alexander married Comyn’s daughter Joanna, while Comyn’s son and heir John married Sir Walter’s daughter Eva", but he does not cite the nature of the evidence in question[1218]. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Alexander4Stewartdied1...

Alexander Stewart & his wife had [six] children:

Erica Howton this CN on the NN wife seems to offer a valid reason: The identity of Alexander's wife is unknown. Traditionally she was Jean of Bute, the heir of Bute and Arran, but Lord Lyon David Sellars has shown her parents are likely a later myth to justify the Stewart takeover.

I suggest that we 

1)either merge Jean of Bute with the NN wife profile wife of Alexander Stewart and disconnect her from James Macrory, Lord of Bute as his daughter

2)- unless we find evidence to suggest that he did have a daughter Jean: in which case we revert to your previous solution and cut Jean off from Alexander and his children.

Your thoughts?

Jean Macrory - whoa, she’s changed. :). I’ve been keeping her off Alexander Stewart, 4th High Steward of Scotland since 2018, why is she back as his wife? I had never merged / disconnected from parents because I have no knowledge if there was or was not such a daughter in history.

My original comment was to the effect that “some think erroneously she was married to Alexander.”

I’d rather see her maintained because Jean McRory is “out there” - as you were queried? It’s a lot easier to show 2 profiles - one a daughter, one a wife.

You’re welcome to re curate wife of Alexander Stewart and add the extensive notes.

Oh yeah, we want to keep Jean. She’s still in Wikipedia as wife:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Stewart,_4th_High_Steward_o...

See the talk page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alexander_Stewart,_4th_High_Stew...

Given what Sellar says, I wonder why the text (about Jean) remains unchanged - Sellar's reservation is not even acknowledged!!?? As it stands the claim on the page is ridiculous: to suggest that Jean Macrory born before 1210 should not have had a child until 1260. This is the sort of thing which brings Wikipedia into disrepute. First of all surnames had not taken over, so surely her father was Rory (or variant) - so if a stopgap is required (and I think not) surely this should be the assumption. [OK, there is a further problem here as "she" would not have been "mac" - so it is more likely that Rory was her Grandfather and strictly she should probably have been "Vc Rory". However it remains the case that this Rory would not have been old enough to have been killed in battle in 1210.]

Second I estimate James' birth c1251 rather than 1260 (1260 makes matters worse). It is, therefore, likely that she was born c1230x5 - 20 years after the supposed death of her supposed father. Third Given that she was the heiress it is likely that her father was born c1200x10, before the deaths of 1210, but too young to take part in any fighting at that time. Fourth so far as I can see the name James was unknown in Scotland at that time.

I'm going to go with your decision here. The area seems fraught and needs one Curator's hand. I wouldn't have jumped in had I realised you were Curating Alexander. Sorry :-/

So - we'll revert to your previous cut. Sorry, again, for undoing - I presumed it was an accident without being able to see Alexander. Silly.

I've locked her relationships as well. Please recurate.

Her kids have unfortunately multiplied, so it’s good to visit and tighten up.

Burke’s is unreliable and TSP clearly states “his wife is said to be Jean Macrory.” That’s uncertainty.

To me, this is the best we know:

The identity of Alexander's wife is unknown. Traditionally she was Jean of Bute, the heir of Bute and Arran, but Lord Lyon David Sellars has shown her parents are likely a later myth to justify the Stewart takeover.

This is the obituary for David Sellar, Lord Lyon King of Arms and law academic
11th March 2019, who is the authority quoted (above).

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/17493638.obituary-david-sell...

Sharon Doubell - we should make sure David Sellars has a good geni tree, he’s a notable genealogist.

Happy to help, Erica :-)

Here’s his articles page.

https://bill.celt.dias.ie/vol4/author.php?AuthorID=1395

(I’m looking for specifics on Jean Macrory.)

I wish I could read some of those - they look fantastic. The PDF is just the cover page though. :-/

William David Hamilton Sellar, Lord Lyon King of Arms

He connects back to here: William Sellar acc to this - https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/17493638.obituary-david-sell... - but I'm missing his father and that's making it difficult to merge him into that line.

Awesome!

And we’re “live.”

William David Hamilton Sellar, Lord Lyon King of Arms is James Henderson's third great grandson.

https://www.geni.com/path/James-Henderson+is+related+to+William-David-Sellar-Lord-Lyon-King-of-Arms?from=6000000003506245106&path_type=blood&to=6000000186131738859

Well done!

It’s definitely easier to build trees with a team. Thank you.