I saw the merge request to merge this profile with this one:
and I think that would be in error.
My reason is that Lt. Edward Vann's lines are pretty well documented, and he did have a son named John Joseph - not Joseph John.
Joseph Vann, "The Interpreter"
That son, John Joseph Vann, was married to Mary Christina / Wah-Li (Wawli) 'Polly' (Vann) Vann aka Otterlifter NOT Ottertail and also to Elizabeth 'Betsy' Watie. He perhaps had another wife as well, but that seems less well-documented.
Notes I have on Mary Otterlifter are:
Other names for Wah Li were Wa-li ‘Polly’ OTTERLIFTER, Wur-li Sonicooie, and Granny VANN. Waw-Li was baptized by the Moravians in 1819 and given the Christian name of Mary Christana. She later married James Clement Vann I, brother of John Joseph Vann and uncle of James Vann II. It is said she lived to be over 130 years old. ca 1819, by Moravians. She was a full blood Cherokee Indian.[2486130.ged] Wah-li Otterlifter changed her name to "Mary Christiana" after becoming a Christian. Note: Note: After Wah-li Otterlifter [Mary Christiana Cothern's] first husband Edward "Ned" Vann died; she married his brother, James Clement Vann. Mary was his second of five wives. James Clement "Clem" Vann is noted as the "First White Chief" of the Cherekee Nation."
The John Joseph Vann proposed to be merged with Joseph John Vann shows having died May 06, 1815, but Joseph John Vann died 7 JAN 1781. The names are similar, the death dates are not the same nor are their wives the same. So, I don't see how the father Edward Vann here could be the same Lt. Edward 'Ned' Vann who was the father of John Joseph Vann.
This Edward Vann is shown born October 23, 1720, Chowan County, North Carolina and died April 04, 1770, Chowan, Hertford, North Carolina. The Lt. Edward 'Ned' Vann the merge of the sons would create was born 720 • Cherokee Nation East, Colonial America and died 4 APR 1770 • Hertford, North Carolina. So John Joseph Vann and Joseph John Vann, based on the info I have, could not have had the same father.
There is yet another one to consider...
Joseph Vann, "The Interpreter"
is listed as a half-brother of Lt. Edward 'Ned' Vann. It shows his dates as: born 1725, died 1775, and has him married to the Mary Otterlifter John Joseph Vann was married to. So that can't be correct. She was married to this John Joseph Vann as well as to James Clement Vann:
Joseph Vann, "The Interpreter"
Some of the Vann profiles have good notes in the Overviews and have been curated. So it always helps to look through all that because of the several same-named folks in their lines that does get confusing. I'm challenged keeping them straight as I try to go through all this to explain why I disagree with the merge! I have to read all the connections and notes and look at the dates and geography, etc.
All the Vanns are related one way or another, so anyone who has different dates and other varying details is still 'somehow' related to the main line, it's just a matter of discovering 'how' without merging similar but different people and creating erroneous connections.
