Jans Woertman

Easy solution, as they are all theories. Detaching and locking relationships.

This is interesting. If it’s the right marriage record, John William wasn’t born in England at all, Willemsz is his patronymic, and not sure when, where and by whom the Woertman surname was acquired.

Marriage Jan Willemss and Jannetje Harmans 22 November, 1629 Amsterdam. According the record this Jan Willemsz was born in Amsterdam (b. abt 1608) and Jannetje was from Zwolle (Swol) (b. abt 1607)

See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Woertman-9

So this researcher has entirely different origins from the “traditional.”

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/65457887/jan-jansz-woertman

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Hatte Rubenstein Blejer - you curate here. I’ve made the updates to profiles Jan Jansz Woertman his wife Harmtje ‘Hannah’ Jans Woertman their children Lysbeth Jansen Anneken Woertman & Dirck Janszen Woertman, of Brooklyn Ferry and Harmtje’s 2nd husband Lodowycke de Jong & their daughter Annetje Lodowycks

Erica Howton - Thank you. I took a look at Jan Jansz Woertman

This is why I curated that profile - https://www.geni.com/path/Hatte-Blejer+is+related+to+Jan-Woertman?from=6000000003496914092&path_type=inlaw&to=6000000001852489594

My gg grandmother was brought up by her half-sister, whose husband, Peter Conover, was related to De Nys family who were married with the Woertman family.

My ggg grandfather seems to be ethnically German but from the Netherlands. William Mintz / Mints, from Cohansey (Fairfield Township, Fairton), Southern New Jersey. His daughter said he was Dutch, but from Dutch researchers I learned that Mintz is found in ethnic Germans in Eastern Netherlands. Of course I have since read about a large German community in that era, including in Amsterdam.

So it's fascinating to find another ethnic German in the Dutch Reform community.

Colonial New Amsterdam reflected Netherland ethnic diversity, I think? Daughter Lysbeth Jansen married 1) “a Norseman” 2) from present day Belgium.

Patronymic is the right term. There were no surnames, instead a person's given name was expressed with the addition of the father's given name. My mother's father and my mother's mother both have Anglo-Saxon surnames derived from patronymics -- Williams and Johnson.

The Dutch, the Scandinavians, the Jews, the Arabs, and the Slavic language speaking people did not have surnames until very recently. The Eastern European Jews and the Poles, Russians, etc. had surnames imposed upon them by the Russian Empire in the very early 1800s. People did not like surnames, they knew that they were for the purpose of taxation and conscription, so it took several decades and a later law for them to "stick".

My mother has a significant DNA match who is 90% Dutch - Dutch Dutch from Southern New Jersey, but I think we just married into that community due to living together in Cohansey (Fairfield Township). But I'm still looking. In the meantime, the history of New Amsterdam and the way the Dutch Reform moved out to form new communities in NJ and then in Ohio and other areas is fascinating.

How about this.

Sophia (Powelson/Powlerson) Munson is your second cousin 6 times removed's wife.

That should lead back up to John Munson - yup, sure does. Very English, married Dutch in NJ. My line to Kentucky.