Keziah Elizabeth Williams (Brooks) - Native American line NEEDS help

Started by Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 on Friday, April 22, 2022
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I have merged obvious duplicates and looked at the links connected to one of the profiles but there are discrepancies with the parents, spouse and several of the children.

Keziah Elizabeth Williams (Brooks)
Gender: Female
Birth: 1735
VA, United States
Death: 1785 (49-50)
Sullivan County, TN, United States
Immediate Family:
Daughter of John Brooks, II; Littleton BROOKS; Elizabeth Mary Brooks (Littleton) and CHEROKEE INDIAN BROOKS
Wife of James Williams, SR. and James Williams Sr
Mother of Phillip "Buckspike" Williams; Mark Williams; James Sherrod Williams, II; Hardin Williams; Sherrod Williams; William Clayton Williams.; John Williams; Lt Lt Garrett Williams.; Samuel Williams.; Charles Bruce Williams.; Isaac Williams.; Rawleigh Williams. and Elizabeth Louisa Barnett (Williams) « less
Sister of Thomas Littleton Brooks and John Thomas Brooks

Bad merges Cynthia - it is wrong now. First off - GEDCOM and MyHeritage trees are not sources. I will see what I can do since she is my direct grand parent ancestor. Thank you.

It is always best not to merge if not sure and just reject possible duplicate - just in case.

Jacqueli Charlene Finley thank you..

But if bad duplicates are allowed to just sit, the whole picture is not seen. I merge the obvious and then try to sort out the rest.
Unfortunately, many really good researchers have excellent branches if not whole trees but once they know their line they stop or they see the mess on a public platform and just give up and go away

This is my DNA confirmed cousin's fifth great grandmother.

She is looking MUCH better now.

Anyone familiar with her, please weigh in <3

There are BAD trees everywhere.
Let's just make Geni

Sorry-- hit send too soon lol
Let's make Geni the gold standard/cream of the crop

I just fixed. Better not to merge please just message the managers first if unsure - but yes there were a few messes. :) Thank you.

I am going to add sources.

This is my DNA confirmed Williams and Brooks line - as you are aware as one of our matches as well.

Thank you for bringing to my attention - you know I have the highest regard for you cousin!
<3

Community trees can never be perfect no matter how hard the effort maybe. But you do good work.

I am adding sources. ;)

Jacqueli Charlene Finley there were two merges before mine. I messaged the manager of the one I know as he is my DNA confirmed Freeman cousin and she is his fifth great grandmother but he had no parents before the merge. I have not heard back from him yet but is a word day so may be a while

Thank you so much.

Maybe let's try to confirm the Native American ancestry for her and ask for her to be MP'd?
I think it is important enough to try.

Jacqueli, can you elaborate, please, on this?:
"This is my DNA confirmed Williams and Brooks line - as you are aware as one of our matches as well."

My cousin here is Freeman and he and I are not a match but his father and I and my nephew and his father are as well.
Only about half of all 4th cousins match so is always wonderful to have siblings, etc, test as well

*work day not word day

Thank you, Cynthia,

I have DNA confirmations for my ancestors on this line. I thought Brooks was one of our MRCA matches - I may be wrong going on memory but working on sources - for me I have DNA confirmations.

I am adding sources - for her and immediate family.

S hard to go on memory after a few lol, Jacqueli Charlene Finley! I can't keep up

Children unsourced and/or needing disconnection--- will start a list

Please DO NOT disconnect any children - I am working on the sourcing - Cynthia - I told you that

I am familiar with this line - please leave alone. Thank you.

She is my 5th direct great grandmother.

I changed her profile photo to her photo as the one picked prior was a generic one from genealogy software.

Dan Cornett please see

Private User

Cynthia - what is the problem and what do you dispute?

Here is what I show in my tree on Ancestry.com for James Williams Sr. and Keziah E. Brooks (https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/46986586/person/66...) Hope I am not too far off? Sincerely, Dale Lee Lane (I am also on Geni, but my main tree is on Ancestry.com)

Ancestry.com tree is not a source but there are some sources on there you can check out.

I added sources and my DNA confirmed Tree from ancestry - and GEDMatch MRCA info - hope that helps.

Check out the profile source tabs for Keziah and James, Dale.

You may be a Lee descendant Dale by the Lee middle name is common with us. :)

Have you gotten your DNA done yet? LMK

Dale:

Dale Lee Lane is Jacqueli Charlene Finley's fifth cousin once removed!
Jacqueli Charlene Finley
You → Jack Harry Finley
your father → Bertha Lee
his mother → Willis M Lee
her father → Catherine Lee
his mother → Phillip Williams
her father → James Williams, II
his father → Sherrod Williams, Sr
his brother → Louisa Kate Copenhaver
his daughter → Catherin M.C. Cardwell
her daughter → Charlie Milton Cardwell
her son → Edna Earl Lane
his daughter → Dale Lee Lane
her son

Jacqueli Charlene Finley sorry. Just now seeing your comment.
No dispute. Just tagging Chad as he is a manager of one of the merged profiles and Dan Cornett as I had just merged in a profile with him as a manager

Her: Mary Ann Williams
So he may be the curator to help with this family line specifically.

👍

Jacqueli (in particular): As you may know, there are two things Curators can do on Geni to help preserve "known good" genealogical information:
-- lock individual "basic" fields for a profile.
-- lock the relationships connected to a profile.
(The profile image and the About description can also be locked, but those two are primarily for clarity and typically only done for "contentious" profiles.)

The Field locks prevent the values from being modified by anyone other than a Curator. Even after a profile is merged in, the original profile (which will have the MP-flag set to enable any of the various kinds of locks) will retain the previous values of locked fields. Typically there should be Source-tab references to support the "locked-in" value ... and there may be discussions or text in the About if there are strongly conflicting references for a field's value.

The Relationships Lock (RL) prevents any changes to the "connections" of a single profile: parents, siblings, spouses, and children. Only Curators can add to or remove profiles from that RL-ed profile.

When merging into a profile with the Relationship Lock set, all the profiles attached to the "incoming" profile will be disconnected; the net result will no changes to that immediate family group.

Note that the Relations Lock does not restricted changes to all connections of the rest of the immediate family. For instance: it does not prevent adding spouses to any of the children, nor does it prevent adding spouse to siblings. In addition, it does not prevent adding additional spouses to the parents or additional spouses to "primary" spouses. (e.g.: if the husband's profile is RL'ed, the wife could still have another husband added).

So to protect a whole "region", then, one asks for Relationship Locks on all of the "core" profiles, where each of those profile's "immediately family" is known to be both correct and complete.

When asking for Relationship Locks on profiles, one should consider where the "growing edges" might be; for instance, one might know that both parent's families are "complete", but only one of the children's family is known to be complete. In that cases, the RL could be set on both parents and on that one child ... but not on the other children (as their spouses & associated children might not yet be known).

Whew!

As y'all are working through this branch, consider where it might be appropriate to ask for Field and/or Relationship locks in order to preserve the research which is being done. Curators are most often may not be the experts in any particular branch and thus rely on the documentation attached to profiles and the expertise of those who know that particular 'branch' the best.

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