Eliza Asaph Lucas Vardon - Alternative Data After Merges

Started by Sharon Doubell on Wednesday, March 23, 2022
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Forename Eliza Sophia Eliza
Middle Name Asaph

Sharon, I am not sure which files were merged or who did the merging. I would ask that before anyone does merging of files of any of my family that they ask me to confirm/verify information. I am always most appreciative of any "new" information that has been discovered. I always like to know as much as possible about any family connection.

Thank you for your continued assistance. Enjoy each day. Stay safe and stay well.
Roland

I don't know either Roland - but once you've benefitted from merging your profiles into the big tree you can't stop the process of other people doing it too, and of tree maintenance.

The most we can do is to alert you to contradictions in updates.

Thank you for your comment. It sounds like anyone can do a merge? Enjoy each day.
Roland

Depends where in the tree and whether they / their collaborators are within a certain relationship range. PRO users can usually merge far more easily than non-PRO. Still, the minute there are duplicates in the world tree - we all have a vested interest in getting rid of them.

Thank you Sharon. I agree we have a vested interest in merging exact duplicates. Sadly not everyone records names in the same way, and there can be inconsistencies and as so many families use the given name from one gen to the next it can be most challenging. I try to avoid those challenges.
Roland

So,Sophia or Asaph? Which way do you want it?

Sharon, my grandmother Eliza was born on Sept 19, 1876 (I have not checked all records). Her birth information shows Eliza Asaph but her gravestone (I can send you pics of it) shows Eliza Sophia. Perhaps it would not be wrong to show Eliza Asaph (Sophia).

Hope this helps.

Interestingly both my Grandfather Obadiah and his wife Eliza have two grave stones in the small cemetery beside the Anglican Church where I was baptized. The cemetery is about 1500 kms from where we live but I did visit my grandparents grave site in 2020.

Roland

Okay, I've put both in :-)

Eliza Asaph (Sophia), would (in my humble opinion) be an appropriate way to show her name.

Enjoy your day.

Roland, I think you can change it to that on a profile that you manage.

Help me understand. You have written asking my my opinion on something and after sharing the information you decide to make changes as you like to my family data and now you mention I can change the information on a profile that I manage. IF you made changes why would you expect me to go back into the profile and make additional changes. A very strange comment from the person who made the change??

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I made the Discussion alert and the changes - as you suggested above, and not before- because you weren't doing it, and it was sending me an alert. The conflict will also have appeared in your merge centre. I was being helpful, if somewhat ennabling.

I don't mind how you choose to make the final name look - I think I make that clear above - but I do mind being treated as your inefficient secretary.

I cant get the Revisions to open for a detailed look right now (wifi?) but every indication is that Melissa added this profile into the world tree first, and you benefitted from merging your tree into it. So you are both now responsible to resolve the conflicts on a profile in our one world tree. I don't mind how you do it - this was just a courtesy alert to the fact that neither of you had done it yet - and an attempt to be nice by doing it for you when you didn't yourself, in case you didn't know you could. Hence my second message, urging you to experiment/try to do it for yourself.

Keep well.

Sharon, I am much less active on Geni (probably other sites as well) than you are. To be perfectly clear, I appreciate all assistance when someone reaches out to help. I am not one to "tell" anyone how to do anything. I may have shared prior that I have a very long and detailed history of the Lucas family, going back many centuries. Not all is posted on any site nor are some of my very ancient family connections. With some connections I go back almost 60 generations and sadly keeping track of all of their descendants is somewhat of a nightmare with name spelling changes and especially when someone is given a "nickname" or not using one of their given names as is the case of all of my mother's female siblings.
Melissa is a cousin through a number of families but to date I have not met her face to face. I have met her parents.
You (in my opinion) are the expert on Geni and IF I can figure out how to navigate the system I will try and get in, but please do not be dismayed as you have covered the topic and if anyone wants further information on my grandmother they can either ask me or ask one of my Lucas family members.
I do expect there are some inconsistencies with "location". As with a great many places around the world names of communities change from time to time. Along the Gaspe coast of Quebec there have been changes as well. Gaspe is both a large geographic region and the name of a town, neither of them fit in with where I was born or where my Lucas/Vardon families were from, other than being geographically accurate in a macro way. It has been my practice to show the location of family as accurately as possible and not to use some "macro" geographic location, thus there will probably be inconsistencies due to one system or another. Should I apologize to the group for trying to be as accurate as possible??
Thank you again for your help. Stay safe and stay well.

No you shouldn't apologise for your accuracy. As long as co managers don't object, you can change them to show exactly what you want them to. And as long as you have good proof, you can even get me to lock those changes in for you so they can't be disturbed by merges either.

Thank you for your reply. So many people show the minimum information. Earlier today I was writing to a distant cousin in Germany about connections she and I have and one of them was through Lucas. That family name changed numerous times over the centuries and perhaps contains one of the families you and I are connected to. With regard to name changes I may have mentioned prior that my mother has 3 given names and as was the case with her sisters, none of them used any of their given names, perhaps the parents chose to use "nick names" instead. It all gets so very confusing (and you have experienced this many times) when someone does not use () and within those brackets refer to the name someone used if not their given name. Yes, all very confusing and it also gets complicated when others do not know the given names and constantly refer to what I call a "nick name". All very confusing indeed. When it comes to "mergers", it gets even more complicated when the person doing the merging thinks they know what should be recorded and without proof puts in what they want. I do my very best (I do slip once in a while) to be very accurate and I also try to have printed documentation. You just don't want to see the paper data I have.
Enjoy each day.
Roland

To clarify my comment about name changes. I was not implying that Lucas changed over the centuries but it was another connecting name that changed numerous times.

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