Shlomo HaRofe Luria - Has This Tree Been Discredited?

Further review suggests that the father given for HaRofe on this profile who is the spouse of Dina Luria daughter of Klauber is from the other branch descending from Avraham ben Yekhiel on the trees referred to above. Based on these data the paternity shown on this profile is incorrect.

Bottom line: I don't know who this Rabbi Shlomo Ashkenazi Luria is (he is unconnected to Luria tree and I do not find him on the Luria tree). See also the Discussion started 12/20/19 here Deborah Rivkah Wahl-Katzenellenbogen for other problems with this area.

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In the book:
משפחת לוריא,מאת אפשטיין, אברהם בן ישראל

There is information on the subject, including mentioning the name of Rabbi Shlomo Luria as well
Aminadav Luria
The information written there should be read carefully, understand what is being read, and change things that are now written in Geni.

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All the sources I have read confirm that Rabbi David Drucker
David Yehiel Drucker, The "printer of Vienna"
he is the father of:
Deborah Rivkah Wahl-Katzenellenbogen

But in no source have I read that
Aminadav Luria
he is his son
As for being a member of the Luria family, I can not verify this, nor do I find information about the identity of his parents,

I read a theory that he is from the Rapaport family.
So to sum up:
I do not find any information regarding the identity of
David Yehiel Drucker, The "printer of Vienna"
parents,

And I did not find verification that he is indeed a member of the Luria family ... If anyone has information on the subject, I would be happy for him/she to update us

Haim Katz - Hachoen Wartski Many thanks for your good info. Another aspect which has not yet been mentioned is that Dina Luria the supposed mother of David Yehiel is not the mother of Shlomo HaRofe Luria according to the various consistent trees I have studied, she is the mother of another Shlomo: Rabbi Shlomo Luria, MaHaRSHaL It could be that there is a Shlomo Ashkenazi who is the father of a David Yekhiel Druker but I would immediately disconnect Shlomo HaRofe and Dinah Klauber (and I know exactly where they should go): these are the only two in this mess besides Druker who are nodes to other parts of the tree so their continued presence is causing distortions elsewhere. Only a curator can effect these edits since the relevant profiles are locked (Yigal Burstein Private User). Meanwhile I leave open whether the other listed offspring of Shlomo Ashkenazi not just mentioned (i.e., Yitzach Luria, Zev Benjamin Luria, and Miriam Isserles), are based on legitimate evidence, but at least they are not connected to the rest of the tree so there is no harm in leaving them in place.

Continuation: I see now the source of the problems with the three other offspring (Yutzachm Zev Benjamin, and Miriam): they are all offspring of another Shlomo Luria: Rabbi Shlomo Luria, MaHaRSHaL In effect, except for the filiation of Shlomo Ashkenazi Luria, whose surname I would change to Druker, and his son David Yekhiel, I would simply delete the other offspring of Shlomo Ashkenazi Luria. As for Dina Klauber, she is actually this person: wife, Yechiel ben Avraham Luria and should be disconnected from Shlomo Ashkenazi Luria (unless someone can show was married to both).

Continuation 2: According to the tree referenced in the first post of the thread, Aminadov Luria is another son of Dina Klauber and so this profile should be deleted: Aminadav Luria

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As I wrote, I could not find the identity of Rabbi David Druck's parents ... I think about 3 years ago I read in some source that he indeed was from the Luria family and changed his last name to Drucker (the printer from Vienna), but as mentioned I could not find any information about this also

Haim Katz - Hachoen Wartski Then his name maybe should be: 'David Druck Luria?' with the question mark to indicate uncertainty. And his father also 'Shlomo Ashkenazi Luria?' with question mark.

Private User "Drucker" means "Printer" in German. Someone sliced all of this up several years ago. I would go with the Friedman interpretation....

Private User I hear you and have incorporated Friedman into the proposed fixes described in the three posts beginning at 9:54 02MAR2022. That's all I can do. Only a curator can effectuate. Be glad to clarify if need be.

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I looked again at "Elef Margaliot" (section: 285) it is not written that he was the printer from Vienna, it is written that he was parnas and leader in Brisk,... I do not know where the information about being the printer from Vienna is ... I remember the information was before I entered Geni and thought the information is solid,Now I doubt it.

I need to point out just one point for accuracy: Meir Wonder did a wonderful job in the book, but he has mistakes, so should try and find information about Rabbi David Drucker beyond the information in the book, and there is little information about him

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Now I saw that I wrote about this thing back in 2019 in the discussion:
https://www.geni.com/discussions/204865

Many times there is a mistake in book and the mistake is copied to other books, and for us who live in 2022 it is very difficult to know what information from which book is the correct information ... I guess this is also the case with Rabbi David Drucker

Haim Katz - Hachoen Wartski There is evidence of a Dvorah Druker.being the spouse of Shaul Wahl K-bogen on Friedman's tree: https://www.davidicdynasty.org/katzenellenbogen-family/ but he does not identify her parentage. Perhaps it is in Rosenstein.

Another point is that the Kendel bat Israel Isserles shown as the spouse of David Drucker appears as the spouse of Yosef Segal Bishkas on Friedman's tree here: https://www.davidicdynasty.org/isserles/

So it could well be that Kendel bat Isserles had two spouses, maybe, or that Kendel bat Isserles is not the spouse of David Druker and/or not the mother of Dvorah Druker..

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Rabbi David Drucker
David Yehiel Drucker, The "printer of Vienna"
Was the father-in-law of Rabbi Shaul Whal and that is with 100% certainty, but I could not verify that he was the printer from Vienna, and of course I could not verify the identity of his parents ..

As for his wife, I read a theory that he married twice, need to look for more information

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in the book:
ישורון - יג(ישורון - יג)page:721
There is a reference to Rabbi Drucker, and it is written there that he never engaged in printing, and it is possible that the name Drucker is from one of his ancestors who engaged in printing

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in the book:
שבטי ישראל(page:21)
It is written that Rabbi David Drucker is the brother-in-law of The Rema

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Although Saul Whal is a very well known figure and there is a lot of information about him and his family, there is very little information about his father-in-law (Rabbi David Drucker),at least in the information I can read on the "Ozar Hachohma" website.
about his wife (Kendel), Being the sister of the" Rema" There is one source I have read that contradicts this claim, but because in all other sources it is written that she is his sister, and in particular I rely on the words written by the grandson of Rabbi David Drucker Who wrote that Rabbi David Drucker is the brother-in-law of the Rema ",

Haim Katz - Hachoen Wartski I agree there is good evidence that David Druker was married to a sister of Rema. There is also evidence Kendel was spouse of Bishkas. So for now, two husbands. Is there good evidence that Kendal was mother of Dvorah Druker?

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I will try to search more, all the information I have found so far in many sources refers to Rabbi David Drucker who was the father-in-law of Saul Whal, no source I have read refers to the name of Deborah's mother

Haim Katz - Hachoen Wartski No worries. For now it can be entered as mother position for Dvorah vacant. Another point: if David Druker was of Luria family, a distinguished rabbinical family, don't you think the grandson woukd have said so, like he did about Rema?

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I did not see a mention of the Luria family, on the Ozar Hachohma website there have been problems for months and the information is not always available..If the information is available I will try to look for more information ...

Please disregard my post pf 3/3/2022 at 2:38 pm: the information there has been updated and distributed to individual profiles for further inclusion.

To avoid further confusion I have deleted my post of 3/3/2022 at 2:38 pm, which included many suggest revisions to various profiles. To simplify, I have transferred all the information there to the individual profiles involved.