Anschitil de Turville - True ancestry of Roger de Puttenham

Started by Terry Jackson (Switzer) on Saturday, January 29, 2022
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1/29/2022 at 10:31 AM

There seems to be confusion and lack of documentation to support or refute that Roger de Puttenham was son of Anchetil d'harcourt and wife Evede Boissey.

Possible related profiles:
Anquetil, Seigneur d'Harcourt

Ève de Boissey, dame de Boissey-le-Châtel

Anquetil, Seigneur d'Harcourt?through=6000000014846917834

1/29/2022 at 4:47 PM

Agree. I don’t see anything to support Roger de Puttenham in this family.

Can we edit out this confusion from the “about?”

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Anschitil was a vassal of William the Conquerer's in 1066 AD.

Fought alongside William the Conquerer in 1066.

Had two children with his wife, Eve De Boessey; Robert, who kept the de Harcourt name, and Roger, who took on de Puttenham.


Having trouble reconciling his birth/death with that of his parents. It's possible that there's a generation missing, or he was born (and died) earlier than the dates put here. There's conflicting information on Anschitil; it's also possible that there were several different Anschitils, but all of them seem to have parents with the same name, which makes no sense. Will correct it if and when the correct information presents itself.

I’ve added more notes / citations to profile but have not yet found the current Cawley page at Medlands, if that can be added also?

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This site suggests a 2nd husband for Ève de Boissey, dame de Boissey-le-Châtel

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~havens5/p23275.htm

1/29/2022 at 4:54 PM

I don’t think (the 1st) Anchetil was with William the Conquerer. I think he was long dead in 1066.

French Wikipedia doesn’t have birth / death dates, but comments:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anquetil_d%27Harcourt

De son mariage avec Ève de Boissey, dame de Boissey-le-Châtel, il eut huit enfants, dont quatre prirent part à la conquête de l'Angleterre en 1066 et certains s'y établirent :

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From his marriage to Ève de Boissey, Lady of Boissey-le-Châtel, he had eight children, four of whom took part in the conquest of England in 1066 and some of whom settled there:

1/29/2022 at 10:14 PM

Here’s Medlands:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#AnschetilHa...

1. ANSCHETIL d’Harcourt . Guillaume de Jumièges records that “Turulfo de Ponte-Audomari...filius...Torf” was the brother of “Turchetillus pater Anschetilli de Harecurt”[918].

m ---. The name of Anschetil’s wife is not known. The charter dated 13 Jan 1103, under which “Philippus de Braosa” confirmed agreement with the abbey of Fécamp witnessed by “ex parte Philippi, Robertus frater eius, Anchetilli filius...”[919], suggests that Anschetil’s widow may have married, as her second husband, Guillaume [I] de Briouse (-[11 Dec 1093/1095]). Anschetil & his wife had [three] children:

a) [ERRAND (-after 1078). La Roque does not quote any contemporary primary sources which name Errand. Père Anselme says that “Errand de Harcourt seigneur de Boeffey-le-Chatel” is called “seigneur, sire et baron de Harcourt” in “plusieurs histoires” [unspecified] which record that he took part in the Norman invasion of England in 1066[920]. Seigneur d’Harcourt.] [m as her first husband, EMMA d’Estouteville, daughter of ROBERT [I] d’Estouteville & his wife [Beatrix ---] (-bur Saint-Evroul[921]). La Roque states that “une généalogie de la maison d’Estouteville” names Errand’s wife as “Emme et la comprend entre ceux du sang...[de] Robert d’Estouteville”, suggesting that she was the same person who later married “Hugues de Grentesmesnil”[922]. The passage is somewhat garbled and in any case La Roque does not provide a citation reference to the source in question or quote it in his “Preuves”. It is suggested that, until further documentation comes to light, this supposed marriage of Errand should be treated with caution. She married secondly as his second wife, Robert de Grantmesnil. She is named as second wife of Robert de Grantmesnil by Orderic Vitalis, who also names her father[923].]

b) ROBERT d’Harcourt (-before 1118). Seigneur d’Harcourt, de Cailleville, de Beauficel et de Boissey-le-Châtel. Père Anselme says that Robert built the castle of Harcourt (undated)[924]. “Philippus de Braosa” confirmed agreement with the abbey of Fécamp by charter dated 13 Jan 1103 which names "Willielmus Philippi pater", and is witnessed by “ex parte Philippi, Robertus frater eius, Anchetilli filius...”[925]. m AGNES, daughter of --- (-after 1148). Her name is confirmed by the charter dated 1148 under which [her son] “Willielmus de Harvecurt” donated “totam terram Stantunie” to Garendon abbey (Leicestershire), with the consent of “Yvonis fratris mei et Agnetis matris mee”[926]. Robert & his wife had [eight] children: …

c) [WILLIAM FitzAnschetil . A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of “unum molendinum juxta Bunebroc, Colegrim…et…in Beltona” by “Willielmus Aschetilli filius”[942].]

1/29/2022 at 10:18 PM

This site seems to describe the Anschitil > Roger tree we see on Geni. It’s a different family from the d’Harcourts.

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http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~mainegenie/genealogy/TURVILLE.htm

1. ANSCHITIL-

d. before 1086

One of the greatest lords that accompanied William the Conqueror upon his memorable invasion of England in 1066 was his half brother Odo, Bishop of Bayeux. Among the Bishop's followers was Anschitil, who may have been actually present at the Battle of Hastings.

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2I. ROGER-
Ref:

"English Origins of New England Families"- First Series, Vol. II, p.667

1/30/2022 at 12:08 AM

Updated the de Puttenham family, originating with Anschitil de Turville

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