Mary Murray (Lindley) - "Folklore" claim about Mary Murray & the British "Invasion" of Manhattan

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1/15/2022 at 5:11 AM

First: Is it not pertinent that her daughter Susannah—(was) the wife of a British officer—Col. Gilbert Colden Willett, a grandson of the English Lieutenant-Governor Colden."? The Colden family was much despised by the Colonial rebels.
This pro-Crown association would tend to put in question Mary Murray's allegiance to Putnam, Washington and the fleeing Continental Army that afternoon. The story goes that Mary's husband Robert Murray was not originally in favor of the marriage between his daughter and Gilbert.

Second: Mary's husband Robert (according to many sources (?)) was not a rebel. (see wikipedia) and was generally a Tory.

Any thoughts?

From naming standpoint, a number of children who were non-blood relations to the Murray line were given the middle name Murray after the war. I am exploring that historical evidence as well... I mention two here:
1) Eliza Murray Spingler, dau. of Henry Spingler and Mary née Bonsall. (1792- )
2) her son-in-law: Col. Michael Murray van Beuren (1800- )

It is interesting (to me at least) that Henry Spingler's sister was Mary Meeks (Triglar). This aunt to Eliza Murray Spingler was married to Corporal Richard Triglar. Richard and Mary had two children, John and Mary Triglar. Richard was a Continental soldier who died shortly after the famous Murray Hill tea party, at the Battle of Ft. Washington the same week. Henry Spingler and his wife at the time (Jane Sloo) helped raise his now fatherless niece and nephew who were both quite young in 1776 when their father died. John Triglar grew up and took over part of his Uncle Henry's business in the Fly Market. I bring this up because I wonder why the Spingler family would choose the Murray name to name their child... Throughout my decade-long study of the Spinglers I return to the question of Spingler loyalty during the occupation of NYC in the 1776-1783.

Of further Murray related interest:
Just yesterday I started to examine this connection:
One of the two Triglar orphans was Mary Meeks Her grandson was Charles Molyneaux Meeks, Jr. , born in 1802. It is claimed that this Charles Molineaux Meeks is a Murray descendant as well but I have as yet been unable to verify that claim. It seems to be mistaken. Nonetheless it seems to be an indication of reverence for the Murrays and/or the tea party story. See: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/176908321/charles-molyneaux-meeks

Any help with unravelling any of this would be appreciated.

Oh... and one more thing... my interest in this Murray-as-a-middle-name topic is accentuated by the fact that my own middle name is Murray, even though I have no known Murray ancestors in the last 8-10 generations (!)..

I hope that any of you out there can help me develop the back story on all this.

for quick reference:

Eliza Fonerden (Spingler)
Col. Michael Murray van Beuren, USA
Mary Murray
Col. Gilbert Colden Willett
Eliza Fonerden (Spingler)
Henry Spingler
Jane Spingler
Corporal Richard Trigleth
Mary Meeks
Charles Molyneaux Meeks, Jr.

As I close this out, I've just noticed another item. The Spinglers and the Murray-Willetts belonged to the same Saint Marks Church-in-the-Bowery parish where Gilbert was a vestryman in 1799. See the biography of Gilbert at Col. Gilbert Colden Willett .
The Spingler family vault is there. It holds the remains of Eliza Murray (Spingler) Fonerden and her husband Col. Michael Murray van Beuren which is yet another Murray connection... Also: Gilbert had been in business in the Murray family.

Parenthetically, there is a new geni project I've started that includes the Spinglers and the Murrays: https://www.geni.com/projects/Bowery-Hill-Mapping-17th-and-18th-centuries-Manhattan/4481652 .

In this project we see: John "Presbyterian John" Murray . He was Gilbert's business partner and the brother of Robert Murray.

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