end of the line

Seconded. No profiles or info on them should be blocked unless the ORIGINAL source document is also posted. Then only the info, PRECISELY as shown on the source doc., should be blocked. No translation or later period location name should be allowed. The person doing the blocking should do this check. .

I know it’s frustrating - it’s why I keep my Master tree offline. I build this with validated sources but having said that - I do use collaborative trees (like this and FS) to help me. I have found that they provide sometime great clues and I then prove of disprove using sources.
I have also come to know some using this platform that do use sources and I follow them on a mutual line.
It’s not just here - most platforms have trees that are incorrect, unsourced and are purely built through ‘hints’ where the home person assumes that the hint must be correct.

It won't help you, but I too have despaired about the quality of information housed by many of these genealogy sites, They appear to be more interested in absolute numbers and not the quality of the information. Nor do they make it easy to flag incorrect or 'possibly incorrect' data.
There is another significant site which regularly finds (correct) matches that could add "twelve or more" people to my tree, yet all I want is the one or two close to my family line, not all twelve. Not an option. I must import all twelve and then delete the unwanted ten..... etc.......

I keep the orinal dokuments on Word and take my info from there.Agree with Magrte'most sources are copied and often translations which looses the actual wording.Baptismes before 1820 to be looked at carefully-Grootdoop[- was common and thus a father can be only " 10 years old "if batise date is taken as we know it.Also the correct protocol in headind the documents without linkinng and explaining '
The other reason I donot attach fresh documents and sources ,are the legal "plagiaat" by MH the parent of Geni..While at it I find it very frustrating when one "Click"a link on aprofile just to find out it is MH marketting.Volg die gesprek om te sien of daar iets van kom---hoop so

Let's face facts.
GENI is not a professional website.
Unfortunately, beginners make mistakes.

I tried to add as many links as possible to profiles while working through DN's, At some stage, Geni started to block me out of profiles it I was not a direct member of the "family" Later on, I was blocked out of profiles that I was able to access before. I wanted to help other people but was prevented to do so by Geni.

The merge function is a wonderful concept. Unfortunately, if not used correctly, it messes up a lot of research.

Maybe time for a professional website to be launched where you cannot add a profile unless you have a document to add!!

Mistakes we make .
Beginners seem to make less than those long time on Geni.
Why are so many profiles on Geni without any souce for the information on that profile even curated MP profiles.
Volunteers? We all volunteer to add information , sources , help others and correct wrong information.. do any of you get paid or get anything gratis from Geni?
To say it has been like that since 2009 is not a valid excuse for incorrect information to remain unchanged .

Here is how I see it... working on Geni...with SOURCES only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKBUzjvUWgs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgnYnMcovwo

Personally how I would like everyone working on Geni to add sources, or at least be given a welcome package on "how to"

A good start would be to stop ancestors dying 1720 in the Western Cape.
Or born in Tulbagh 1760 .
Married in the Cape Province 1810 ?
Easy to correct by managers , also learning something about South African history in the process.

As a sign of protest I have also stopped adding sources for profiles I manage and any others.
If I see a blatant error ; ignore because if you send a message regarding wrong info you get crucified.
Locked ,curated and mp profiles all over with no sources and wrong information on Geni.

Family Search:LDS"het reeds poging op die web om Plekname ,in die wyer conteks en tyd gebobde,riglyne op te stel.Ek sou graag sien dat Geni daarbei aansluit.Die lys is spesifiek op SA gemik.
Die Amsterdam Argief het n woorde lys om as "Guideline" te dien vir terme wat hul gebruik-soos Baptize of christning[Kerstin-dit bekamp verduidelikings se lengte.
Datums bly n pyn erens-rekenaars werk in "volgorde Jaar-maand dag of omgekeerd --.
die vertoon stamboom is daar om OA te vertoon aan famielie en vriende terwyl die bronne akademies van aard is.of behoort te wees.Ek voel dis nodig dat die Stamboom die "also known" gebruik vir die volle naam en die noemnaam as die "display"-Dus "user friendly.
"match"moet nie plaasvind voor die Manager dit nie aanvaar nie .
N laaste kramp-Private--minstens n jaar en iets vir n naam-As ek gedcom en die name alfabeties op my lys y=uitgooi dan is daar kollomme Private met geen verbinding
Waarheen lei die gesprek ons?Talk or Action?

Hi Fanie
Eerstens bewustheid van probleme

"Collaborative genealogy must be evidence based or it becomes meaningless."

Just deleted 713 messages send regarding incorrect information on profiles that were never answered or replied to.
So obviously does not really work to send a message to managers of a profile.
Collaboration becomes meaningless.

Phillip ,twee opmerkings : 1 /My probleme met Geni igaan om die administrasie en "user friendly" van die sagteware wat ek huur.
2 /Die gesprek voel vir my burokraties.. Van min-amper altyd dieselfde 4 of 5 persone het ek uitstekende hulp gekry om veral "match"van lewendiges uit te sorteer van/met profiele deur my opgesit..Sover ander profiele war ek sogenaamd "manage ,doen ek niks.Versoeke om die admin regtekry sodat ek nie klerklike werk hoef te doen nie was onbeatwoord..'
Lyk my die gesprek word ook net "Talk" Sterkte

Familysearch.org se plek name ook problematies .
June Barnes ,Judith Meyer en ek het projek begin op GENI om plek name riglyne te gee.
Sal jou link stiur .

Ek werk nie meer baie op GENI , maar as daar n probleem met een van profiele probeer ek nog steeds. Het opgegee met merges wat mense doen sonder om na dokumente te kyk. Ongelukkig het ek in die begin net op GENI alles gedoen en het bietjie meer as n jaar terug van voor af begin op my eie data basis. Het vandag kom terug soek na n profiel net om te vind dit is disconnect en dokumente delete. Ek het nog n paar mure wat afgebreek moet word en Phillipp as daar n probleem is waarmee ek kan help, kan jy enige tyd vir my n boodskap stuur. Verstaan jou fustrasie

Dankie Petronella

Philipp,

Ek stem saam met jou opmerking: "Collaborative genealogy must be evidence based or it becomes meaningless." Ek sluit die skakels onder die "overview tab" in omdat ek werklik nie al die dokumente eers van FS kan aflaai op my rekenaar en dan aanheg op Geni nie.

Jy moet ongelukkig ook plek maak vir mense wat uit die mond van ouers, oumas ens goed op Geni plaas.

Ek stem ook saam dat ek verskeie "managers" gekontak het - baie min reaksie, selfs al het ek die skakels ingesluit om my standpunt te bevestig.

Ek sou graag 'n voorstel wil he, hoe om die probleem op te los.Miskien moet mens 'n opsie kry "moet nog geverifieer word"

Maryna - ja ek sit ook bronne / skakels in overview.
Inligting van familie is nogal n probleem - my oom se pa hier net Thomas Mercer maar ek weet hy was Thomas Francis Mercer as voorbeeld.
My pa se familie AGS en Mennonite so geen doop dokumente nie so ook n probleem .

If I may. Not everyone has access to information, or even if of the few joined to Familysearch etc., the know how to access information, or even that level of interest.

So while backup documentation addresses where available are obviously first prize, all information, however minor is useful.

Whilst I understand privacy issues, the willful blocking of long dead family members by "<private>", drives me Baaa nanas (eg an additional family member to add, but one cannot know who the other existing family members are because they are <private>)!

Locked fields and private profiles can drive one to drink I agree Mark.
Especially when no reply or response when you query it.

--- and anyone may say or respond anytime . Capital letters and !!!! Not banned.

Phillip 100 jaar van die Caap.Hul was Jacobsbruder of Jacobsgesindes in die Laaglande van Nederland.Vanne het nie bestaan nie en n agternaam is toegeken om aan te dui die persoon is groot gedoop en nou n broeder van die nageslag van apostel Jacobus.-Die Mennoniete was Jacobzbruder of jacobgesindes genoem in die Nederlande. JAN het jacobb as agternaam gekry.Duisende Jacobse --geen famielie verband nie.In die kaap was slegs die Gereformeerde kerk as die VOIC se amptelike kerk en hulle het "vanne" gebruik as iemand gekersten is.NMeestal klein doop maar heidene is ook groot gedoop--later word "aangeneem "die term.Geen dokumente word beskikbaar gestel nie-so bietjie deur die sendelinge wat die Mennoniete onder hul vlerk geneem het soos die Londonse sendeling genoodskap.Die lang storie net om te se doop iswas nie soos ons dit vandag aanvaar nie.Jou naam is nou amptelik by Binnelandse sake en nie die kerk nie.Jou van ook 2e viool mteen ID nr.Vir eie gebruik kry ek data per Epos van die famielie en die Epos is my bron.Lang stori om te verduidelik dat naslaan werk eintlik lekker is.

How many of us unaware that we are managers of profiles with ZERO sources.
Just checked my own - guilty .
Then checked someone else here on GENI who demand sources - guilty

Find your latest guilty conscience interesting... Let's try and analyse this over multiple dimensions with the goal perhaps to see where and how etc.

The table below is a rough attempt spending a few minutes only, perhaps someone can expand further based on this. For sources I only give what is available to anyone mostly free electronically and that I use frequently, or are well aware of.

Era Est #profiles Sourced% Main sources

1600-1700 Ten thousands Very High Various, main sources, not all primary, FFYP, MOOC archives, archives of Cape translations, secondary PDF documents reasonably accessible, past research/ers

1700-1800 Hundred thousands High MOOC, EggSA (GSSA) (past research/ers)

1800-1840 Hundred thousands Weak Baptisms and marriages in Cape, GSSA

1840-1950 Ten Millions Medium Death Notices from archives, baptisms and marriages on Familysearch, GSSA (becomes less over time and some families are not fully researched as (genealogical) time goes on)

1950-1970 Millions Weak Same as for 1840-1950, but much less due to not all published online

1970 - Millions Weak Even less than previous, word of mouth mostly (currently), I don't even have sources for my own grandparents or parents! :)

The above numbers and percentages are estimates, based on own experience.

I have no guilty conscience, when I touch a profile I know it is correct afterwards (for the time being and based on current information, that is).

When a profile is "done" it should ideally have 3 sources linking it altogether, I.e. and for example, it is sourced by a DN from a parent, a DN/baptism/marriage for he/herself, including name for spouse, and a baptism/DN for one or more children showing set of parents. I found that for women this is almost always easier as their marriage (and even the name of spouse) would in most cases be recorded on a DN of a parent for women. We will never get 100% for all profiles as not all DNs were filled in completely, correctly, a combination thereof, or even never filed.

There are so many life events that destroyed sources indirectly, for example 2+ marriages, children dying early and way back no DNs for them, children written out of wills...

Finally, where Afrikaans families is concerned, in earlier eras pre +-1920, the names of the parents+grandparents, and children should correspond per custom. Although there is no official source for this, it is the golden line.

Overall, there is not always sources for everything, but common sense should prevail, e.g. a scarce surname in a low populated area.

One final gripe I do have is blindly adding sources to the incorrect but similarly named profile. On a daily basis I have to address this by spending hours to untangle - buttom line is sources should not be taken on face value only.

Jan Blomerus-- Huibrecht Jasperz van Westkapelle .
No source for her parents

Myself have seen too many old profiles from long ago that I became a manager of as a result of a merger that then do not have any primary sources. Also wrong information on those profiles. Died Westen Cape 1720? Baptised Tulbagh 1783 ? Not possible. But on Geni from 2012 !
Have seen quite a few of those disconnected from unsourced parents e.g. Claas Jansz van Renburg .

Am I then as a manager also responsible for adding sources and corrections ; .correcting or removing unsourced relatives --- parents or children.

All those managers of Claas Jansz van Rensburg just had unsourced parents for how long exactly on Geni?

87 managers on profile of Claas Jansz van Rensburg -' Wilson, Freeman etc etc.
Unsourced parents on profile for what 7 years ?