Gabriel Holland, of Virginia - Duplicate?

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11/13/2021 at 2:31 PM

I'm tracing a line on Ancestry that has Francis Gabriel Holland with the same dates and who was married to Mary Pinke. Is this other profile by that name and dates a duplicate that needs merging? Because of the past post cautioning about merges, I didn't want to assume they're the same person since I don't know the lines well.

Gabriel Holland of Jamestown

Thanks for any assistance.

11/13/2021 at 3:01 PM

Notes in the Master Profile:

Gabriel Holland was born say 1596 in England.

His first marriage was to a Rebecca George. It is claimed that George Holland who was found later in Accomack County, Virginia, was Gabriel's son by Rebecca George

Secondly, Gabriel was married to Mary Pinke, the widow of William Pinke, alias William Jonas [perhaps Pinke was her maiden name.] Gabriel's wife Mary was confirmed in the Virginia land records.

11/13/2021 at 3:12 PM

Also please notice the curator note for fake father:

This is the Master Profile for Sir John Philemon Holland.
Curator Note from Erica Howton (4/26/2018):
Married Mary Molyneux. No children known to have come to America

11/13/2021 at 3:23 PM

Here’s the explanation of fake origins.

http://www.hollandfamily.us/ResourceCenter/WJH/gabriel-wjh.htm

11/13/2021 at 3:26 PM

And we may have some fake kids of Gabriel also.

Gabriel and Richard Holland were among the 50 passengers and like most of the passengers, Gabriel, and Richard were indentured workers, contracted to the Berkeley Group to build the Berkeley Plantation. They signed an agreement with the Berkeley Group, as other male enlistees requiring them to work for three years to six years. …
The Berkeley Group historian, John Smythe of Nibley, as he had done with the passengers on the ship Margaret, recorded that 16 of the Supply passengers died of natural causes and eleven were “slayne” during the 1622 Indian massacre.
Gabriel and Richard Holland were among the 16 passengers who died of natural causes after arriving at Berkeley according to Smyth.

In any event, this Gabriel was dead in 1621. Boddie corrects the date of the Indian massacre in his paragraph on a different Gabriel, Sergeant Gabriel Holland who was living at Jamestown at the time of the massacre, March 22, 1622 with his wife, Rebecca.

Martha McCartney, project historian for the National Park Service’s Jamestown Archaeological Assessment, writes the following in her book Virginia Immigrants and Adventurers 1607-1635 A Biographical Dictionary:

Gabriel Holland left Bristol, England on the Supply during September 1620 and arrived at Berkeley Hundred on January 29, 1621.

Holland was supposed to serve for a certain number of years in exchange for some acreage. However, he reportedly died shortly after he arrived at Berkeley. He may have been a kinsman of the Gabriel Holland, who for a time oversaw the servants the Society of Berkeley Hundred sent to Shirley Hundred.

11/13/2021 at 3:46 PM

Gabriel Holland of Jamestown Had NO surviving children. I’m going to spin them off attached to “placeholder Holland” profile.

http://www.hollandfamily.us/ResourceCenter/gabriel.htm#misinformation

Now, about the Virginia Hollands

by Wiley Julian Holland153
July 2, 2011

This statement from Encyclopedia of Virginia Biography, Volume IV is incorrect:

Long resident in Nansemond county, Virginia, the family of Holland has in that time occupied honorable position in that locality. That the family is an old one is proven by the fact that Gabriel and Richard Holland arrived at Berkeley, Virginia, February 8, 1621, on the ship, "Supply," with fifty others, leaving England, October 5, 1620. Gabriel Holland was one of thirty-one signers to the answer of the general assembly in Virginia to the Declaration of the State of the Colony in 1624, and also was one of the signers for the incorporation of Henrico county and the incorporation of college plantations. In 1748 Henry Holland was a vestryman of Suffolk parish, Nansemond county, Virginia.

The Gabriel Holland who arrived in Virginia in 1621 on the ship Supply was not the same Gabriel Holland who signed the Declaration of the State of the Colony. There were two Gabriel Hollands. The one who came on the ship Supply in 1621 died of natural causes shortly after arrival. He is not the same Gabriel Holland who arrived on the ship John and Francis with his wife Rebecca and signed the Declaration of the State of the Colony in 1624. This Gabriel married Mary Pinke following the death of his first wife, Rebecca and there are no records of him after 1627/28.

There is no record of either Gabriel Holland having children or residing in Nansemond County, Virginia.

Neither of the Gabriels have any relationship with the Henry Holland who was a vestryman at the UPPER Parish in Nansemond August 23, 1755 and Church Warden March, 28, 1758. This

11/13/2021 at 4:24 PM

I hope you can find your ancestor attached here

Hollands of Virginia

Currently showing as

Husband of N.N. Holland
Father of Job Holland; Richard Holland; Daniel Holland; George Holland; William Holland; and Nehemiah Holland « less

11/13/2021 at 4:35 PM

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/b/a/r/Diana-Barnett-MO/GENE3-0001.html

Six (6) children have been "attributed" to Gabriel Holland

  • 1. George Holland - b. c1622 James City Co., VA
  • 2. John Holland - b. 1628 James City Co., VA
  • 3. Richard Holland - b. 1630 James City Co., VA
  • 4. Job Holland - b. c1631 James City Co., VA
  • 5. Daniel Holland - b. c1633 James City Co., VA
  • 6. William Holland -. b. c1634 James City Co., VA
11/13/2021 at 7:03 PM

Oh, lordy, Erica, that's way too much info for me to process! lol My original question was just about the possible duplicate profiles.

I was chatting on Ancestry with a distant Lott-descendant cousin from Hawaii who wanted me to check his tree for any additional connections. He has an ancestor listed as

FRANCES GABRIEL HOLLAND

B:18 May 1596 Westminster, London, England

D:1660 Jamestown, James, Virginia, United States

and shows him married to Mary Pinke. He has that he is from their son

William Holland

B:1635 James City, Virginia, United States

D:1 Sep 1702 Calvert, Maryland, United States

I just searched Geni for Francis Gabriel Holland and found the two profiles. I definitely don't know enough about the lines to have an in-depth discussion about them with him, but it 'seems' that the 6. William Holland -. b. c1634 James City Co., VA listed in your last post is the one he is claiming as his ancestor descended from Gabriel.

From that William, he has about 7 generations of Holland men before it finally gets to his maternal grandmother Vina Ann Holland who married August Henry Laeger.

So, given that I don't know the lines, they aren't direct for me, and it seems he needs to read all this, etc., I'm going to leave it to him to work on that branch of his tree, if he's a member on Geni. A lot of folks I 'meet' on Ancestry don't use both sites and vice versa.

11/13/2021 at 7:46 PM

Tell him -

  • There is no such person as “Francis Gabriel Holland”
  • There were two Gabriel Holland’s that came to Jamestown, neither had children
  • Whatever supposed child of supposed Gabriel he shows is his immigrant ancestor, because he wasn’t Gabriel.
  • Because Gabriel Holland had no children.

That should be simple enough. The rest is proof, which to me, is done and done.

11/13/2021 at 7:52 PM

Sounds great, thanks so much, Erica.

11/13/2021 at 8:06 PM

I just shared the summarized conclusion with him on Ancestry and gave him a link to this discussion so he can read all of it if he has a Geni membership.

11/13/2021 at 8:15 PM

Very good. I think his William Holland may be a bust also; the lineage seems to begin with the wonderfully named Col. Otho Holland born in London.

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