Simeon Bloch - Discussion about Bloch family origins

The discussion on the initial page of this entry asked:

My question is, where is this Simeon b. Mendl in 1783? I don't find him in Ckyne in that census, nor do I find his marriage in the lists from Ckyne (which are listed under Czkin and Tschkin). https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000141953948642 https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000141953948645

Here's a far/fetched proposition shaped largely by apparent existing DNA (and sometimes KOHEN HAPLOGROUP J-P58) relationships (with FAMILY-lines of BACHRACH, HASS, COHEN, Kann/KAHN, STRAUSS/STRAUS, KNOBLAUCH/KNOBLOCH/KNOBLOCK/KNOBLICH, von KNOBLAUCH/von KNOBLOCH, BLOCH/BLOCK, GORELICH, GARLIC, GARLAND, KATZENELLENBOGEN//LURIA), some timeline overlaps/coincidences, given name and possible surname similarities and name-évolutions (through time). and my general lack of documentation to defeat my "guessing".

Excerpt About " KNOBLAUCH... surname":

https://www.geni.com/projects/Jewish-Families-Named-Knoblauch-Knobl...

This is a project for members of the Jewish Knoblauch family, and their descendants regardless of religion. Common spellings and variations of this surname are Knoblauch, Knobloch, Knoblock, and Knoblaugh, among others. Knoblauch is the German word for garlic. Some descendants of this family took the surname Garlick or Garlic, which some then later Anglicized to Garland and other similar forms.

The earliest known mention of the Jewish Knoblauch family was in Frankfurt am Main in the 16th century. http://www.judengasse.de/ehtml/H034.htm

You can find a list of profiles associated with these surnames by clicking the links Knoblauch, Knobloch, Knoblock, Knoblaugh, Knoblich.

THE PROPOSITION:

Is it possible that Simeon b. MENDEL moved to BOHEMIA from FRANKFURT AM MAIN; and was part of the descendant family of the family known sometimes as MANDEL/MENDEL/Männlin/Mändlin which occupied the house named "KNOBLAUCH" on the JUGENDGASSE in FRANKFURT AM MAIN?

The information provided on the BACHARACH/KNOBLAUCH/DRACH/KANN family and the information about the history of the Frankfurt am MAIN house "KNOBLAUCH", suggests that families associated with the house "KNOBLAUCH" had to relocate , and possibly dispersed away from FRANKFURT AM MAIN, after the various destructions of the house "KNOBLAUCH" in 1711, 1721, 1796:

SBOUT House "KNOBLAUCH" in FRSNKFURT AM MAIN:

http://judengasse.de/ehtml/H034.htm

Knoblauch

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The Knoblauch was built in 1551/52 by Männlin (or Mändlin). According to the historian Shlomo Ettlinger he came from Lauchenheim in the area of Württemberg. The Frankfurt paymaster's office apparently chose Knoblauch ("garlic) as the house name as a play on Männlin's town of origin
("leeksville"), and the house sign was a head of garlic.
Mändlin was a highlyrespected rabbi, and he also ran a large cloth store outside the Judengasse and for years was a "master builder". Some of Mändlin's descendents lived in his house and subsequently adopted the name Knoblauch as their family name. However, over the years other families also lived in the house.
In the great fires in the Judengasse in 1711, 1721 and 1796 the house was destroyed three times. It was rebuilt after the first two fires, but after the 1796 fire it was decided to redevelop the entire northern end of the Judengasse on spacious lines, in the course of which the house disappeared finally.

http://judengasse.de/ehtml/F003.htm

About FAMILY BACHARACH and descendant KNOBLAUCH, DRACH AND KANN branches:

Bacharach

The Bacharach family name comes from the town of this name on the Rhine. Together with Heidelberg, this had long been a major centre of the Palatinate Jews.
Jews with the name Bacharach lived in Frankfurt even before the creation of the Judengasse. Another Bacharach family is known to have lived in Frankfurt from 1516. Descendants of this family included the two brothers Menachem and Mosche, who lived in the second half of the 16th century and became important figures in the family. Menachem enjoyed especially high regard: he was a rabbi, and is believed also to have run a large drapery outside the Judengasse. He also held the position of "master builder". His descendants in turn founded several branches of the family which adopted different names: Knoblauch, Drach, and May. They were wealthy families and played a leading role in the Judengasse.

http://judengasse.de/ehtml/F013.htm

Drach

The Drach family played a significant role in the history of the Frankfurt Jews, particularly in the 16th century. It is a branch of the older Bacharach family, and took the name of one of its new houses, the Drache, as its family name. During the 17th century its members were very wealthy. Abraham Drach, the family's most eminent member, rose to the rank of imperial court factor and thus also achieved a dominating position within the Frankfurt Jewish community. As such he was soon faced with rivals for power. A dispute for domination of the Judengasse went on for decades during the second half of the 17th century under the leadership of Isaak Kann, the head of the influential Kann family with whom Drach was actually related by marriage. The dispute is recorded in the history of the Frankfurt Jews as the DrachKann disputes. At first the Drach family were active in the money and lending trade and in the jewellery trade. During the 18th century, their great rivals, the Kanns, became the most influential family, and the Drach's businesses suffered a setback. In 1715, for example, a jewellery shop belonging to the Drach family went bankrupt.

http://judengasse.de/ehtml/F038.htm

Kann

The Kann family is a branch of the older Haas family. For some two hundred years between about 1550 and 1750, this was the wealthiest and most influential family of the Frankfurt Jewry. Extensive moneychanging linked primarily with services as court factor to the surrounding princely houses of Hessen enabled the family to accumulate the largest fortune in the Judengasse. They held important positions in the Jewish community, and family members were frequently elected "master builder" or treasurer. However, the family's main fame was as learned Talmudists and as major donors in support of Talmudic studies.
The rise to great affluence, powerful influence within the Jewish community, and a luxurious and opulent lifestyle comparable to that of the city's Christian patricians are only one side of the Kann family history. The Kanns lived through a period when bankruptcies in the Frankfurt ghetto were at their highest level ever, the result of the insolvency of several debtridden princes. The Kann family were also faced by envy and rivalry from other families within the Jewish community. At first the Kanns attempted to eliminate rivals for high office; Isaak Kann, for example, fought against the powerful court factor Abraham Drach at the end of the 17th century. In the mid18th century, Bär Löb Isaak Kann was himself attacked by members of the Kulp family, and forced out of his leading position within the Jewish community. These conflicts are recorded in the history of the Frankfurt Jews as the DrachKann disputes and the KulpKann disputes. The latter disputes started the decline of the Kann family's influence from around 1760.

Many relatives are masterful researchers.

Perhaps someone will have discovered information to link KNOBLAUCH of FRANKFURT with genetic family in BOHEMIA.

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