Overtornea Family History

There is many books. In different books and years farm can be in different page number! Yes that was a confusing first...

Sorry I thought you said I had to go to page 57. On page 57 at the top it says Toyra???

Ohh.. im too tired. My eyes sees not good now...

Will read more. No my brains need coffee. Sorry! You can ask if needed, I will answer later

I need to go too. Will speak again tomorrow hopefully.

Ann-Katrin Hansson have already worked in geni! 😀

Johanna Evasdotter Hermo

Private User I don’t know why it says Isaksdotter on Johanna in the marriage record, because this Johanna has an unknown father. I have to check if there is another Johanna born 1847 and emigrated to Norway 1872. Sometimes the priests got it wrong and wrote the wrong name….Mettävainio, Töyrä, Mella, Härmä is not surnames….they took the name after the farm they lived on…if they moved to another farm they took that farms name.

You can change it even if you are not the profile maneger….i have already changed a lot in Salmons profile and added a lot of sources. Geni is a worldtree and it belongs to us all….do you have Facebook? Join the group https://www.facebook.com/groups/gemensammaanor/?ref=share…it is for geni users

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This is not the moving record…it is the household record
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0035206_00139
I’m sorry i can’t read what it says in the 3:rd last column.

This is the moving record…
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0013560_00175
On the right page, number 2 inhysekvinnan (The lodger woman) Johanna Evasdotter Mettävainio moving to Norway on 25 january 1872 from Jänkisjärvi

You also refer to Salomons moving record…it is not…it is a household record and the priest wrote when they moved to Norway

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Yes Johannas mother’s name was Töyrä when Johanna was born, because her family lived at the farm Töyrä. They moved a built a new farm called Mettävainio, Så Eva and her daughter and son took the new farm’s name

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0035202_00075

The household record says
Jänkisjärvi (the village)
Raumonjemi (the farm)

Head of the household: Pehr Isaksson born 1771
Pehr’s wife: Eva Andersdotter born 1771….marriage 1794
Pehr’s father: Isac Pehrsson born 1743
The mother: Eva Larsdotter born 1766 (i think she is the second wife of Isac, not the mother to Pehr)
Pehr’s son Isac born 1794
Isac’s wife Magdalena Ersdotter born 1795….marriage 1817

Futher down on the page You can find Isac and Magdalena’s daughter Eva born 5/3-1822 and son Israel born 5/12-1823.

In the next household record Isac and Magdalena and their children moved from the farm Raumonjemi to the farm Töyrä….so they used the farm name Töyrä now
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0035203_00180

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0035204_00174
And in the next household record they are living on the farm Mettävainio
So they lived at different farms and every time they moved to a new farm they used the new name of the farm.

I can not find any thing about Johanna’s father…her mother never married…and can’t find anyone named Isak Hannu…so i don’t know why she says that he is her father.

Thank you for the explanation Anna-Katrin. It makes sense now. Only Johanna moved to Hammerfest. Her mother Eva did not obviously as I have found her in two census records and her death record still in Sweden.

Is there a moving record for Salomon please? When I click the left arrow on Johannas moving record there is a blank page. I click left again and it says 1860. So are the moving records for 1866 missing?

You said https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0035206_00139 is the household record. How do you know which farm it is please? The similar records for Toyra and Mettavainio have the farm name at the top but this one only has the village name Jänkisjärvi

Ann-Katrin, I see that you have corrected some of the Geni records. I had assumed that it was Staal's tree and that he had to correct it.

Do you intend to enter all of the information contained in the records that you and Sauli have located above? If so I will wait until it is complete before copying it and including it in my Family Tree Maker file on my PC.

I am keen to try to go back as far as possible now thatI know that the records exist.

Are you related to the family Ann-Katrin or just a very kind and helpful genealogist?

And are you related Sauli or also just very kind?

When I view Johanna's record in Geni Johanna Evasdotter Hermo and display it in Swedish I see the riksarkiv references. When I change to English the references disappear???

I do not have a paid subscription to Geni. Do you know why I can display the Hermo tree but cannot display other trees that I search for?

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Yes I am related to Eva Johanna Ersdotter Grym. She is my 3rd cousin 4 times removed, but I also help others to find their ancestors.

The moving records starts 1868, so before that you can read in the household records If they moved somewhere.

It says Jänkisjärvi inhyse (lodger)….there I can see what name they used …for exemplet. Eva Isaksdotter Mettävainio or Töyrä.

I don’t have a subscription either….If i want to search a person i use …i write for example Salomon Isaksson Hermo geni….and he pops up.

It is not only Stål’s tree, because it is a world tree…he is just the profile manager….it is Good to talk to the profile manager first, but If he doesn’t answer you can make the changes If you have sources that says otherwise.

Oh…i will change it so you can see it in English too

Hi again!

Ann-katrin has already made all clear. Only ne thing.
In Jänkisjärvi there is farm Hannu near Raumonjemi and there is son Isak born 1823.

I asked geni users about 3rd column
Got this:

.... Kyrkotagen... Joh Epraimsson Riekkolas - olisko tässä "barn i" - Korpilombolo.

... av 1870 inte 1871 års befolkning...

That is very interesting Sauli. That could well be the father of Johanna. Her mother Eva and Isak from the nearby farm may have met in a hay shed one night...

Even though the transcribed record names him Isak Hanmo https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000007005871 if you look at the original image (Click See scanned version near top left) the father's name is definitely written as Isak Hanno. He was born in 1823. Eva was born in 1822.

Have you got the link to that farm record please?

Sauli Markus Heikka
Here is a Isak born 1830
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0035203_00184

and here is a Isak born 1823
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0035203_00185

But since the birth record says father unknown we can’t be sure…maybe the descendents need to take a DNA test =)

What does Mantal Skatte at the top of those farm records mean please? Google Translate does not recognise it as Swedish.

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Hannu is pronounced Hanno, so the priest wrote it as it was pronounced.
And since there are to Isak Hannu…wich one is the father and we can’t be sure that Isak Hannu is the father.

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About mantal från Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantal

Yes, only dna can use. I just wrote about isak Hannu, becose i have found 2 silar case before. Children is öakta, but in new country there is father written. Mayby in old country they are afreid of what will happend if it is said happen. Especially if "father" is bonde from nearby...

The younger Isak was born on 12 April 1830. Johanna was born on 23 June 1847 so conceived around mid September 1846 when that Isak would have been 16 years old. Eva was born on 5 March 1822 so she was 24 when Johanna was conceived.

The older Isak was born 14 Dec 1823 so he was 22 when she was conceived.

Strange things obviously happen but I would bet that the older Isak is the father.

I will happily take a DNA test if we can find any direct descendants of that older Isak. The other person and I would be third cousins if he is on the same level in the tree as me, which DNA can often match: https://whoareyoumadeof.com/blog/what-is-a-third-cousin-dna-match/

Here is the birth of the older Isak: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0035213_00044#?c=&m=&am...