Miriam Stochek (Joffe) - This profile is FAKE!

I found her on 252 other trees.

I vehemently refute your ridiculous baseless assertion.

She is also my 14th great grandmother.

Your assertion that she is fake makes my blood boil with rage.

Geoffrey Sea is spouting utter rubbish, purely because of his bitter personal vendetta against me.

If you take what Geoffrey Sea says, when there are thousands of trees referencing Rabbinical records including these names, then you should be ashamed of yourself. and I will express my anger very very vociferously

Geoffrey Sea. Let’s see your tree. All you want to do is stir up trouble. You have no solutions or suggestions. You have no tree built. As I stated before many profiles could be deleted by your standard. Move along and build your tree. If you don’t like the information do not use it.

Mike Stangel, if you delete these profiles because one person makes a claim they are fake without any substantiation, then you will have to hold the same standard to the entire Geni database. Respect oral history and shared DNA matches that are enabling us to reconstruct family histories in ways we never could before (even if some data might be inaccurate). You will lose a lot of subscribers if you don't, including me.

Mike Stangel, the real problem is that Geoffrey Sea, the person you asked to pose these questions, clearly had already reached a conclusion that, not only are the profiles fake, but that Ian Geoffrey Levine is the perpetrator of a scam. You are, thus, participating in his crusade against Ian Geoffrey Levine. As general manager of a subscriber-based collaborative family history platform, this is not appropriate and is a personal insult to every person – whether genetic genealogist, professional genealogist or amateur genealogist – who have done their own due diligence and made thoughtful decisions to add data from Ian Geoffrey Levine's and other Kukla/Joffe/etc. family researchers to their trees.

Following is a small snapshot of Geoffrey Sea's biased point-of-view and his ill-intent in posing those questions to bait Ian Geoffrey Levine and, consequently, besmirch his reputation. This was posted October 14 in the Ancestry User's Group and has been since removed. It is shameful that you are enabling his vendetta against Ian Geoffrey Levine.

"I want to take this opportunity to clear up another bit of false information. This drama came to a conclusion at Geni when Geni, already aware of the fakery, asked me to post simple inquiries on a few profiles, asking for documentation. I then posted sixteen such inquiries on key fake profiles that were designed to show false linkages between Rashi, the Joffe family, the Rubin family, and the Kukla family. The perpetrator then replied to each of these inquiries, not with any documentation, but with insults and threats. That confirmed for Geni what was happening.

The perp, however, does not understand what happened, and has been peppering the internet with messages that accuse me of having some vendetta against him which I supposedly pursued through my documentation requests. Those requests were the endgame, not the opening, and I made those requests only because Geni asked me to."

How interesting. If I had reached a conclusion that turns out to be correct, is that not to my credit? You have been asked repeatedly to produce the evidence for numerous fake profiles all posted by the same few people. NO EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND has been produced to support any of the challenged profiles. Ad hominem attacks on me are not evidence of the person's existence. You're playing an infantile game of making personal attacks instead of simply answering the inquiry. I think the game itself reveals what is happening. It's time to remove these fake and misleading profiles.

Mr. Sea,

Follow the DNA,

Gregory Sea, you said it yourself: "IF I had reached a conclusion that turns out to be correct . . .." The problem is, you haven't proven anything except to cast doubt on the accuracy of data. Were that your only motive, I would not object. But your real motive is obvious. After planting several demands (disguised as questions) on several Geni profiles, you used the lack of a response or answer to your satisfaction to unequivocally state that profiles are fake and that a financial scam has been orchestrated by Ian Levine.

Conflicting information in the Jaffe line does not support your conclusions about the authenticity of the profiles or motivations of Ian Levine. Dozens, if not hundreds, of independent researchers have contributed to the Kukla Family Tree that you are attempting to discredit. Your single-minded focus on one individual calls into serious question your objectivity and authority. It also discourages researchers who might be motivated to provide answers to these questions from subjecting themselves to your self-appointed prosecutor behavior.

Mr. Sea we have asked you many times what is YOUR evidence that the profiles are not real ?
No documentation does not make a profile fake.
In addition the profiles you have questioned have been added by many different people and added to Geni.com all different years. Why hasn’t other people protested these profiles?
What is your motivation? Why do you keep slandering Mr. Levine when other people have posted the profiles?
In addition we have Cousins whose DNA match the profiles in question. Also stated above by Alex you have not provided any sources or solutions. Besides biologically if they were not real some of us would not have been born.
I look forward to hearing from you.