Magdalena Stander Stander - Which Parents?

Hi Sharon, a slew of missmergers and un-mergers seems to have left us in this situation...

The media picture of a DN is in fact nor hers, likely a sister's Catharina's DN. Her DN is only located as per her about section.

But as such also that the similarly named MM Stander whom married Pienaar possibly the one with the set of parents NOT on the DN of M Stander marrying GERBER.

I will entangle as such since the unmergers did not entirely fix it yet. However, the media picture must please be moved to the correct Catharina Stander and removed from this M Stander.

However this still leaves us with the DOB of 1795 which cannot be hers as she is given as aged 76 in 1882. On the other hand her first son FA GERBER was born c1811, and her mother was born 1765, making a DOB on or after 1800 unlikely. So I am going to state it is most likely that the DN, was was issued 14 years after her death, had her age wrong by 10 years, i.e. she was aged 86 when she passed away.

Done, CF

Magdalena Gerber

Magdalena Pienaar

Perhaps CF

Catharina Maria Botha Gerber

as well, the incorrect DN that was on Stander b5c2 is already there, so I removed it from b5c2

Thank you.

Pleasure!

Nothing further, barring perhaps if you agree to the primary sources of b5c2, to MP/lock her.

...b8c1 could not find primary sources, she would have passed away 1807-1808 and for that era few sources online. but perhaps given the likelihood of potential missmergers (esp with b5c2) lock her as well... there are a few mitigating issues with her, given that she passed away relatively young, albeit named after her mother's mother, that she had a sibling with the same first name (born much later, I have not checked if after her death)

Maria Magdalena Heunis - baptism here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-68B9-X8W?i=75&... (5 March 1826)

Stephanus Gerber - loaded SAF by June Barnes - suppossedly deceased young (given that he does not have a spouse) but definitely before his mother?... for that era there were no DNs for children. It is a GERBER name for example uncle's DN in that era: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQX-MQGT-W?i=33&a...

Magdalena Pienaar - I can only tell you that SAF v12 p111 has her as b9c1 and marrying PIENAAR, its a secondary source tho... however it was compiled from primary sources... to the best of my knowledge. A baptism should be locatable easily, but I am not so sure about the marriage certificate or DN...

TYPO :(

Magdalena Pienaar (Stander) - I can only tell you that SAF v12 p111 has her as b8c1 and marrying PIENAAR, its a secondary source tho... however it was compiled from primary sources... to the best of my knowledge. A baptism should be locatable easily, but I am not so sure about the marriage certificate or DN...

Magdalena Pienaar - b8c1 - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRHS-MJM?i=37&...

Catharina Maria Botha Gerber - we know that all children did not display on parent's DN in 35-85% of cases.;depending predominantly on whether the children passed away with children, or their ages (i.e. when) and peculiarities of wills. A DN should 100% not be used as exclusive source as to (previous) existence of children.

I see, not to be advised, on MH that there are actual (more exact) DOBs, which would tend to indicate that baptism records do exist somewhere, however, familysearch.org (where baptism records are available online) have been offline to me for many days now.

e.g.

https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-55612351-7-500569/jaco...

gives a 6 November 1847 DOB for Jacobus Johannes Gerber as son of these parents.

:)

well for Mathinus Christoffel - a bit iffy but:

found his DN although his mother is correct, his father is not.

Born 1839 as I believe they wanted to write 76 years (and not 70 years and six months, not a common mistake but given the other inaccuracies I think it was a language thing...).

In cases like these (where the child lived long and the siblings/children did not know or remember the grandparents, and specifically where there was only one son (living?) who did not get the grandfather on father's side's name) the father of the deceased were often given wrong. However, there can be no doubt about the mother, which makes this a certainty, but did not double-check yet whether there was another Catharina BOTHA x GERBER, given that this would have been mentioned already!

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9G-53C8-B?i=33&a...

Found marriage as well, unfortunately in this case witnesses were not his parents, nor his exact age was not given here...

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJG-2QL8-S?cc=282...

Which maybe brings us to why he was not on his parents DNs... he did not follow the tradition of the naming of his son. However, if he should not be there then he should not be there. But he DID get his BOTHA grandparents name and it is unfanthomable that this couple would not have him as their son born 1839 (in the sequence and given rest of siblings)

For Jacobus Johannes Gerber: could not find a baptism, I guess somewhere in the Southern Cape but not indexed yet.

Nope please scratch my previous post, there was in fact another Marthinus Christoffel as son of another Catharina Maria BOTHA x GERBER, who was in fact born 1847... here are the other profile with GERBER X BOTHA parents, NOT A DUPLICATE :).

Marthinus Christoffel Gerber

So nothing for this Marthinus Christoffel too...