Placeholder Siegel/Segal/Spiegel -- 11 Generations with that name

The 4th was originally added on Dec 2, 2019 as Zalmon Siegel. -- added as Shaya Dovid Siegel's father
The 3rd was originally also added on Dec 2, 2019 as Shaya Dovid Siegel - added as Abraham Jacob Siegel's father
The 2nd was originally also added on Dec 2, 2019 as Abraham Jacob Siegel - added as Jacob "Bentzion Yaakov" Siegel's father
So - 2nd, 3rd, 4th all added Dec 2, 2019 with apparently real, known names

The 1st was added to the tree on Jan 7, 2010 as Jacob Siegel

I fixed this placeholder 2nd - 10th great grandfather.

Since my first post, the names of the 2nd thru the 11th have all been changed -
the 2nd to "Placeholder GGF Siegel/Segal/Spiegel"
the 3rd to "Placeholder Second GGF Siegel/Segal/Spiegel"
and so on thru the 11th as "Placeholder 10th GGF Siegel/Segal/Spiegel"

This at least provides each with a different name, but

I am not related to Abraham Jacob Siegel for my Siegel YDNA. Abraham Jacob Siegel's haplogroup was E-M35. My YDNA haplogroup is R-PF7563. I found out my half niece's DNA match in 2020.

Is it appropriate to create multiple generations of ancestors with a generic name such as ""Placeholder Siegel/Segal/Spiegel" or Nth Great Grandfather <LastName> or any such?

Mitcell posted while I was writing my post above.

Private User - please answer the question above and also
the first, Jacob Siegel - why is it "Placeholder Siegel/Segal/Spiegel" ?
He has 4 sources, all with his name as "Jacob Siegel"
Why have you decided that should not be used as his name?

Also, you originally added the 2nd thru 4th all with apparently real, known names - why have you decided none of those names should be used?
Have you found documentation showing they were the wrong people?

NO. My father's birth certificate was FRAUD.

https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2017/10/01/dna-doesnt-lie/

Mitchell, trying to fill in the bits you are not saying.
1) Are you in agreement this Herbert Siegel is your father: Herbert Siegel

2) I see Herbert has Y-DNA results of R-PF7563 - propagated from a Y-111 test done by one of his sons - which I take it is your brother, since I see him named in Herbert's Y-DNA details as "Private User" and see no indication of linked DNA on your Profile.
Is that correct or ??

3) Are you saying that Jacob Siegel was neither the man who raised Herbert as his father nor his biological father?

1. Yes.
2. I took my Big DNA700 kit.
3. Herbert was last boy baby in 1925. Mary Siegel (Bloom) had her four daughters. I believe Jacob Siegel who raised my father Herbert Siegel. (Step father)

See Jacob Siegel's gravestone. My first cousins are lie about grandchildren.

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&amp;id=6000...

https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000007314690517?album_type=phot...=

Mary's grandchildren

See Great Grandmother in 1973

If Jacob Siegel raised Herbert as his father, but was not his biological father, then I believe the correct procedure on Geni is to add a profile for Herbert's Biological father, and change Jacob to his adoptive father.

As for DNA, am I understanding correctly - your brother has done Y-111 which is linked to his Profile on Geni, and from which Y-DNA was propagated to other profiles,
and you have done the Big Y-700 which is not linked to your Geni Profile?

Sorry, my brother did not take this. My half niece's DNA match is related to my father's DNA via AncestryDNA.

Abraham Jacob Siegel was related to Jacob Siegel

I believe my grandmother was Rose Nachman (Siegel)

Re: https://www.geni.com/discussions/238609?msg=1508756

I see a Gravestone of Jacob, who died in 1947, at which time he was a husband and father
And a Gravestone of Mary who died in 1973, by which time she not only had at least one child but also at least one grandchild and at least one great grandchild

The positioning of the two Gravestones suggests Jacob and Mary were husband and wife.

Rose Siegel was born in 1906. My father was born in 1925.

My half niece is related to Rose Nachman (Siegel) , Ann Nachman, Jess lacher and my father.

Jacob should be grandfather for Arthur 1930, Ann 1936, Frances 1928!

I have Siegel cousins like 2nd - 3rd via AncestryDNA.

Do both your father and half-niece have DNA results at Ancestry?
Do you have DNA results at Ancestry?

Were your Y-DNA results linked to Geni, and are they the results that were propagated to your father's profile (and his father's, etc.)

Jack Nachman was married with Rose in 1926.

yes, my half-niece disagree with me. She removed her DNA haplogroup H1o on Geni.

Trying, with great difficulty, to follow you.

You said - "Rose Siegel was born in 1906. My father was born in 1925."
That Rose would be Rose Nachman - yes?
So also the Rose whom you are referring to when you said - "My half niece is related to Rose Nachman (Siegel) , Ann Nachman, Jess lacher and my father."
And the Ann Nachman listed there is Rose's daughter, Ann Lacher - yes?
And Jess Larcher is Jess Lacher - and that Ann's son - yes?

Are those all identified correctly?
And do all of them have DNA results at ANCESTRY?

I have 23andme with my half-niece, MyHeritage and AncestryDNA,

I'm DEAF and 2nd English language. Jess Lacher is his mom Ann and his grandmother

https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2017/10/01/dna-doesnt-lie/. (Aunt - niece). I believe my grandmother was Rose Nachman (Siegel). I believe Rose had an affair with my grandfather.

Your half niece is a grandchild of your father, Herbert = Herbert Siegel - yes?

Trying to guess - "I have 23andme with my half-niece, MyHeritage and AncestryDNA,"
Does that mean that you and your half-niece both have results at all 3 of 23andMe, MyHeritage, and Ancestry?