Christopher Baker - Re: Discrepancy in birih or death date

Started by Rebecca Baldwin on Sunday, September 19, 2021
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I don't think the birth or death date for this profile of Captain Christopher Baker is correct. The reason is based on a letter Capt. Baker sent to Queen Elizabeth I in 1592, in which Baker stated that he had 50 years servicces in the Royal Navy and lists the monarchs under which he served. The age Baker was when he joined the Navy also needs to be factored in. Granted, Baker doesn't list his first name, but he mentions Sir Francis Drake who wa alsos a ship captain in the Spanish Armada. (Queen Elizabeth I wasn't going to deny a request made from a ship captain referenceing another ship captain both of whom served fighting the Spanish Armada in 1588). If I can post that in media to be clearer, I will. Thanks -
Source of the letter: Source: Great Britain. Royal Commission on Historical Manuscripts. (1892). Calendar of the Manuscripts of the Most Hon. the Marquis of Salisbury, K.G., &c. &c. &c., Preserved at Hatfield House, Hertfordshire, Great Britain. Royal Commission on Historical Manuscripts. Vol. 4, p. 81. https://books.google.com/books?id=OggRAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontco...

Addition to my last post about the will: Or perhaps Christopher was away at sea, and they thought he was dead.

Hi Rebecca Baldwin

I’m having a terrible time with Capt. Christopher Baker genealogy.

A birth date of 1528 is unrealistic, I agree.

I don’t see a name for his son in your excellent reference.

Trees want him to have a lot of children, including Sir George Baker, The Queen's Surgeon but I’m concerned that Sir George was from a different Christopher Baker, based on the genealogy in “The Visitations of London in 1633” - < Archive.Org >

The biography for Sir George is unequivocal that he was born 1540, which really makes him to o old to be Capt. Christopher’s child, even if he was born 1528 (which I don’t believe).

So who was his son?

Oh boy. There are a lot of comments at https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/discussions/LB9B-FJ1

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Full pedigree in visitations of London, Worcester and Kent.Also in Heralds court for casecoc Baker of Boughton, descendent of Christopher Baker, Gentleman of Tenterden. All other Christopgers of similar period are not direct relatives, many descended from related Bakers of Sissinghurst Castle, Cranbrook, Kent.

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Christopher Baker is not the son of Sir John “Bloody” Baker

Baker, F.V. Arch.Cant. xxxviii NOTES ON THE LIFE OF SIR JOHN BAKER OF SISSINGHURST, KENT p.25

Will of Sir John Bakere, one of the King's and Queen's Privy Counsellors and Under ...

Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers. Will of Sir John Bakere, one of the King's and Queen's Privy Counsellors and Under Treasurer of Sissinghurst, Kent.

   Collection: Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury
   Date range: 30 January 1559
  Reference:PROB 11/42A/279

Will of Sir John Baker (P.C.C., 224, Welles)
"The will of Sir John Baker of Cessinghurst, made 7 January 1557, Under-Treasure of England.
-To be buried at Cranbrook where my good wife Dame Elizabeth buried;
-my funeral to be without pomp or pride, but such as becometh my station.
-If I have done any person any injury or wrong I will that my executors make due satisfaction without delay. Masses to be said in Bedinden, East Kingsnorth, Staplehurst, Frettinden, Hawkhurst, Teston, West Farleigh.
-Since the death of my goodfather Richard Baker I have kept an obit in said church of Cranbrook on St. Laurence Even, at which time he died.
-A priest to say mass for 7 years at St. Nicholas Altar.
-I bequeathe seen standing cups of silver to Edward Barrett, of Alvethely in Essex, my son-in-law[step-son?], to my daughters Catherine White, Mary Tufton, Ciceley Sackville, Elizabeth Scott, to John Baker, son and heir apparent of Richard Baker my son, and Thomas Baker, second son of said Richard. Anne daughter of Richard.
-My good sister Jone Reames, widow, and my nephew Stephen Reames.
-To Sir William Petre, knight, Sir Martin Bowes, knight, and Thomas Argall, gentleman, to each a ring of gold of the value of 40s. -To my oldest son Richard Baker all my household stuff at Sissinghurst,and my blessing; "Above all things see thou serve God and thy soverayne, apply thy learning, to be curtosse and gentill to anybodye, be ayding and loving to thy naturall brother, John Baker,and to thy sisters, avoid brybery, extortion, corruption and dissimulation, and eschew idleness."
-To his second son, John Baker, he gives 200 pounds ready money and all household stuff in the city London.
-Executors: Richard Baker, John Baker, my brother William Culpepper of Wigsell, Sussex, John Tufton, son-in-law, and Thomas Argall, gent.
"In a codicil he leaves to his sister-in-law, Lady Wilford, "10 pounds for her pains taken in my sickness. Will proven 30 Jan,1559"

In September 1558 he added a codicil leaving to his eldest son the manor of Staplehurst which he had purchased from Sir Thomas Cawarden since making his will.
-The witness to this and the following were two physicians: John Clement, who was brought up by Sir Thomas More, and John Caius, the co-founderof Gonville and Caius College.
-On December 5, 1558 Sir John added a further codicil in which he made a bequest to his sister-in-law, one-time Prioress of Clerkwell. She was mentioned earlier in this chapter.

Important -

Christopher Baker is NOT the son of Sir John Baker and Elizabeth Dinely, his father is a DIFFERENT John Baker.

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This is where I’m stuck. I don’t think Capt. Christopher was a Tenterden Baker at all.

http://baker.canavancentral.com/bakerengland.html
Bakers of Tenterden

Tenterden is sandwiched between Sissinghurst, Ashford, and Brookland in Kent and the coat of arms of this line begins with a Simon Baker of Feversham, Kent, and his son John Baker of Tenterden, and the grandson Christopher Baker, master of the “Foresight” during the time of the Spanish Armada in 1588. Christopher’s coat-of-arms was similar to the Bakers of Culmstock in Devon. The Manor of “Heronden” once belonged to John Baker, ancestor of the Bakers of Sissinghurst, and it was one of the manors joined with Tenterden.

The visitation of the county of Worcester, begun by Thomas May, Chester, and Gregory King, Rouge dragon, in Trinity vacacon, 1682, and finished by Henry Dethick, Richmond, and the said Rouge dragon, pursuivant, in Trinity vacacon, 1683, by virtue of several deputacons from Sir Henry St. George, Clarenceux kinge of armes. “Baker of Feckenham.” Page 5-7. < Archive.Org >

Are very complete, and no one who could be Capt. Christopher is visible to me.

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