Thomas 'Tom' Watts - Parents

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I was tracing a line on the family of Fenattie Watts, which is a cousin line for me. When I came to her husband, I'm confused.

I haven't seen info indicating Oosta White Owl Oousta Great Eagle had a child by the surname Watts. And the Hints I get for this Thomas 'Tom' Watts on Ancestry all indicate Native American parenage but none list Oosta as one of them. The most 'likely' one I've seen, but documentation needed, is that his parents were:

John 'Young Tassle' Watts and Mahala (Long ?) who was Cherokee.

Others are showing his parents as:

John Watts (1720–1770) and Wurteh (Gi-Yo-Sti-Ko-Yo-He) Carpenter (1736–)

With so many choices for his parentage and so little documentation, I'm skeptical of the connection here on Geni, especially since there are no notes or documentation for the connections in his About section and the other couples at least have a father by the surname Watts.

Oosta White Owl did have multiple husbands and I see on her profile that she has several children by the surname Watts connected to her but no husband with that surname:

Oosta White Owl Oousta Great Eagle

and there are no notes in her About section about her husbands / partners, so no explanation.

So my question is DID Oosta actually have a husband or partner by the surname Watts and those are their children? If so, why isn't he connected as such? Or are these incorrect connections with nothing to support them and this supposed son Thomas 'Tom' Watts was actually the child of one of the couples his descendants have in their trees (as mentioned above) on Ancestry?

I truly no nothing to help sort it all out to make sure the Geni pathways are correct. I just see that there is no concensus on his parentage and no documentation for any of the connections. So I'm hoping that among the profile managers there might be something to shed light on these family connections.

Any clarification / correction would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

It doesn't help that one of the inconsistency reports on this profile shows:

Thomas 'Tom' Watts had a birth date after his parent's (Oosta White Owl Oousta Great Eagle) death date.

Tip: Correct the birth date of Thomas 'Tom' Watts (born circa 1782) or check the death date of Oosta White Owl Oousta Great Eagle (died 1768).

which in itself strongly suggests she wasn't his mother and that probably one of the other two mothers connected on Ancestry was his actual mother.

Kathryn Forbes - any insight on this family?

I think 2 different Thomas Watts we’re Mis merged. The one who married Fernattie Watts is seen (so far) as son of

John dna Watts
1754–1803

Mary dna Hooper
1746–1849

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/19189540/person/81...

The John and Mary (Hooper) from Ancestry is yet a third different set from Ancestry then.

This is what I'm seeing in my Hints on Ancestry:

Thomas (Big Tom) Watts
BIRTH 1764 Paint Clan Half Blood Cherokee
DEATH 1832 Benton Alabama USA

Father: John Watts (1720–1770)
Mother: Gi-Yo-Sti-Ko-Yo-He Wurteh (1728–)
Spouse: Fanata Prudence Watts (1775–1832)

and

Thomas 'Tom' Watts
BIRTH ABT 1772
DEATH ABT 1832

Father: John 'Young Tassle' Watts II (1744–1808)
Mother: Mahala Long? Cherokee (–1808)
Spouse: Fenattie Watts (1775–1832)

Yes, I see that too. But I think they married off Fennattie to the wrong Tom Watts.

What child are you tracking?

That’s all Internet junk. No such person as Tom Watts related to the white trader John Watts or his Cherokee son John. He had both white and Cherokee families, but no record of a Thomas. His Cherokee children were John and Wurteh.

John Watts the Cherokee man was born about 1752, his sister about 1750. He may have been the father of men called Big Rattlinggourd and Hard Mush.

Jim Hicks has this:

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021...

With a son Thomas married to Nel - li.

Looks like this family:

Chief John "Young Tassel" Watts

Fenattie (Watts) Watts is who I was adding into my tree. She's my paternal 2nd cousin 6x removed. I wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake that her husband was also a Watts and when I went to add him, that's when I discovered all the issues around his parentage. When I saw on Geni that he was Oosata's son, I was curious because I have her in my tree as an inlaw and never saw where she had a Watts husband, I saw the inconsistencey flag about her being dead when this Thomas was born, and saw the othe parents listed in Ancestry. So basically, my thing was just to make sure I have cousin Fenattie married to the correct Thomas Watts and that his parents are correct.

Erica, I searched for John 'Young Tassel' Watts and didn't find anything, so thanks for posting that link. I must not have typed in info for a good match. Turns out, that's an inlaw line for me because his daughter Rachel married one of my Vann cousins. So that's an interesting connection.

No evidence for any additional children for the Cherokee John Watts. Jim Hicks seems to have listed all the Watts he found as chiildren of the chief. The daughter of the Cherokee man Thomas Watts didn’t know who her grandparents were - if her grandfather was a famous chief,surely she would have known it.

Yes, you'd definitely think so.

So all the Watts wives & children at listed at http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-... are unproven?

” He may have been the father of men called Big Rattlinggourd and Hard Mush.

JOHN GA-NO-DI-S-GI WATTS, II, CHIEF (SISTER OF DOUBLEHEAD, GREAT EAGLE, MOYTOY , A-MA-DO-YA) was born Abt. 1746 in Willstown, AL, and died 1808 in Willstown, AL …


I’ll disconnect everyone, they can always be put back.

Wurtagua Wa-Ta-Ge Watts mother of Mink Watts Soup Chulusatah Watts Fish Tail Forked Tail Watts

Fenattie Watts (daughter of Thomas Watts, Jr. & Hannah Rust Raybun), named in her father’s Will.

Married Thomas Watts

So that’s what we’re up to.

I think you're definitely right, as sooo often happens with same-name folks, that people have been confusing the various Thomas Watts and their wives and parents. And no one bothers to document anything. lol Thanks for helping with this, Erica. I just don't want to connecct Fenattie to the wrong guy or him to the wrong parrents.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LL9L-95N - yet more parents on offer! Dates don’t work very well, plus he’s Called a “lll.” But locations are good.

Col John Francis Watts
GWYN-T6Q​​
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Birth
1753
Cherokee, North Carolina, United States
Death
16 February 1803
Willstown, Alabama, United States

Wife::Agnes Scurlock

Hmmm...I hadn't seen that. Honestly, I don't use Family Search much because I never find things well-documented there and lots of errors. But I know others who swear by it like I do Geni and they don't liike Geni, so...you know how it goes. lol

Well. It’s a ridiculous tree with 5 different wives and sourced to different Cherokee men. The children for Tom & Finnatie look fine however

This looks a little better but still no sources.

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/56669480/person/24...

Parents
Colonel John Watts
1754–1803

Mary Marvula Brooks Hooper
1746–1849

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Here’s the Agnes Watts mentioned. She’s just about too young to have been Tom’s mother.

I feel like just leaving it that my cousin Finnatie's husband was Thomas 'Tom' Watts and leave it at that for not. lol

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