Using South African ID numbers for genealogy.

Yes ID numbers SA only introduced 1950 ?

My pre 1994 ID had 177 as last 3 numbers !!

So unlikely to have a 1863 number

Have you searched on familysearch ?
Some unindexed on familysearch.

Good day
What about my Aunt, can this be sourced other than Home Affairs, I used private company as well - no luck
Ruby Minnie Bennett = 347 774 783w

Colin Bennett

RM Bennett wife of John McKay ?

Donald McKay
dob for Ruby = 13 04 1907 - passed 03 12 1970

looking for her parents names and more

her brother = my Dad - Trevor percival Bennett 161028 5030 008

her sister = Euphamia Kate Norris born Bennett

Ruby Minnie Mckay (Bennett)
Gender: Female
Birth: 30 April 1907
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Death: 03 December 1970 (63)
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Percy George Bennett and Christina Bennett (??)
Wife of Donald Mckay
Mother of <private> Mckay and <private> Mckay
Added by: Norma Jane Risi (Stumke) on 25 May 2019
Managed by: Norma Jane Risi (Stumke)

her brother = my Dad - Trevor percival Bennett 161028 5030 008

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZTR-S7QG

Name Percy George Bennett
Sex M
Percy George Bennett's Spouses and Children
Trevor Percival Bennett
Son
M
Name Trevor Percival Bennett
Sex Male
Baptism Date 2 Jan 1927
Baptism Place Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa
Baptism Place (Original) Brakpan, Johannesburg, South Africa
Birth Date 28 Oct 1916
Father's Name Percy George Bennett
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Christina Bennett
Mother's Sex Female

I am amazed at the expertise and knowledge of Phillip Weyers and his "Pro" colleagues; they are so helpful in finding "lost" information.
Keep up the good work !

Home Affairs will only help you if you have the mew thirteen digit ID number which were first issued around 1970

What information wouid Home Affairs have to give ?
Surely with new POPIA legislation one could not just use any individual 's ID number and get information.if that person.

Home Affairs doesn't "help" anyone at all, they do everything possible to ensure you don't get any certificates. If you live overseas you have to go in person to your nearest Consulate. You have to pay a substantial amount of money for each certificate, then run as fast as possible to the nearest Post Office and purchase an expensive self addressed priority envelope. Then you have to go back in the queue and if the Consulate has already closed, go back the next day. Then you wait for 2 or three years, write to the Consulate, the Ambassador and eventually the Director General of Home Affairs to find the Consulate stole your money and envelopes and you will never get an answer from them and you won't get your money back - so don't bother trying.

I applied on 6 March 2018, paid 80 pounds, have sent many emails, none were answered and I am still waiting. The reason is that certificates can be used by white people to obtain foreign passports or emigrate and the ANC communist government prefers for them to be murdered in South Africa instead.

Roderick -- you my friend so will see your comment re whites and ANC murdering them just from frustration dealing with bureaucracy.
I am sure those involved in the Windrush Affair in the UK felt the same as you do if not worse .
I can also assure you more " non-white " South Africans -- that would be 99 % of population according to their ancestry on GENI-- feel frustrated when dealing with Home Affairs .

Very few Europeans/ Whites actually in SA most are actually Non-European/ Non-White except for more recent immigrants ; like you and my Grandparents.
Most if not all of the NAT Apartheid Goverment were not even White themselves . TURKEYS voting for Xmas.

1948 Afrikaner empowerment was just BEE and it was absolute chaos for a long time when incompetent Afrikaners were suddenly just given positions of power. Given those positions for just being Afrikaans and a lot of goverment employees just lost their employment for not supporting the NATS
I also remember dealing with Home Affairs then not very different from now .

Roderick -- one for you
Found a DN from 1965 where a Goverment official had scratched out White and written non-white . Plus a note that he may not be buried in the WHITE cemetery.
Very nice people ---

Think also if we search for ancestors in SA when using Modern names for places or when dealing with Home Affairs if date 1890 no Eastern Cape existed so becomes even more confusing.
No one died in Gauteng or North West Province in 1961 .
Neither were anyone born there or Eastern Cape in 1863.
First have our own facts correct and then proceed.

A Joseph Currie born 1863 Grahamstown.
Apartheid era racism and before made a lot of people create their own identities to improve their circumstances.
Growing up in Klerksdorp was very aware of whiter/ paler siblings adopting white / European identities
Even here in Moorreesburg same grandfather yet some " white" and some " Coloured ".
Discovered my own grt grandfather died in a non-white hospital and buried in a non-white cemetery.
On Geni he died conveniently 20 years before-- wonder why
Yet he fought on the Boer side in Anglo-boer war went to Ceylon Camp for 5 years.
His grandson a National Party MP !!

Makes me think 🤔
Who ? WHY ?

Trying to get a birth certificate pre the 13 digit barcode era is like having your worst nightmare.
Still waiting, since 2014, for my grandfather's birth certificate and he was born in 1904, Klerksdorp.
It appears files are not returned to their correct place in Home Affairs and are just dumped anywhere, hence "lost". And no one has time to go through the mounds of "lost" birth certificates.
I waited 3 years for my granny's birth certificate and she was born in 1908.
If I recall under the SA Archives Act, documents should be made available to the public after a period of 100 years. This is certainly not the case.
I cannot even get my parents' marriage certificate, x 1949 - both remarried and the new marriages are all that I can get from Home Affairs. They don't even try to reconcile the names on the application with that on the certificate. Fortunately I found a copy in the Pretoria Archives under their divorce papers. But had to go personally!
Good hunting and be prepared for lots of frustration.

Charlette -not just SA !
No birth certificates for my father or grandparents destroyed during two world wars .
None for my mother's family as well in SA before 1994 already nothing to do with present ANC government . !!
Then discovered here on GENI just SA documents given to them but not them !
Often similar named individuals with wrong documents attached on GENI .
I saw files dumped in Goverment offices Umtata in lift wells during a strike there .

A lot of SA documents also conveniently lost to escape the Apartheid era

In 1954 my grandfather just had to sign an affidavit re my fathers name and d.o.b ,
That then also used in 1974 to get him a SA ID document as well .
Suddenly he was a White /European South African .
After 1950 ( and before ) too many identities were created with non existent births all over SA because of RACE .
boem Tjap !!

Have to say this: Had 2 people in Moorresburg tell me there ID books basically fake issued 1978 as WHITE South Africans but they were not White South Africans --just Lighter South Africans
Now where will you find those birth certifcates according to ID numbers as they never existed .

--another one : my father's brother on his marriage 1948 said born in SA !
On his ID book says born in SA but that is not true , he was not born in SA so never going to find that document in SA .

No you get no assistance from anyone. I have both my parents’pre 1961 ID and was told that the “there is no such number on the system”. It is hopeless. If you find a way, I would very much like to know, as I am in desperate need of my mother’s birth certificate.

Moyra, if you know which church they were baptised or married at, try the church for a copy. Also look on www.familysearch.org you may be lucky.

Familysearch.org searches -- often search will not show certain results. When attached to profiles on Familysearch one reason.
Slightly different spelling
Or just for some bizarre reason 🤔
Have discovered Familysearch origin documents on Wikitree or Firtst Fifty Years project , that never ever shows up on a search.
Why would that be ?

@ A problem with the archives is that the Free State Archives only keep Estate records until 1961 when SA became a Republic. Later records apparently are available at one I think the Provincial Court. Has somebody tried that route yet?