Dit is goed Phillipp. Verander gerus of vat weg. Ek gaan nie meer redeneer nie.

That is good Phillipp. Delete it or take it away, I am noot going to argue any more.

Change what you want to.

Judi

Rijnsburg versus Rendsburg

from https://geocities.restorativland.org/Athens/Atlantis/4364/

Where Claas originated from is not a settled issue. Some feel that he came from Rijnsburg, 5 km Northwest of Leiden in the Netherlands. Research into baptismal records conducted at Rijnsburg was fruitless according to Heese(7). Baptism records for the church which are held at the Algemeen Rijksargief of Den Haag go back to 1675 and Claas was born prior to that. Research that was done into the ‘regterlike’ and ‘notariele’ archives at Den Haag found no mention made of a Rijnsburger who moved or traveled to the Cape. Others feel that he came from Rendsburg in Schleiswig-Holstein, Germany. This town was a disputed town for centuries between Denmark and Germany. Research done into the baptismal records there have not substantiated this theory either.

The evidence for Rijnsburg, Dutch origin-

1. Some official documents spelt Claas's place of origin as Rijnsburg
2. Claas’s son Johannes (b1) spelt his surname as Rinsburg (2k) (8)
3. Claas married Aletta whose family was of Dutch origin

This theory is supported by E. Rosenthal, Dr W.H.J. Punt and Dr C. Pama(9)

The evidence for Rendsburg,(10) German origin-

1. Some official documents spell Claas's place of origin Rensburg and Rensborg (the latter supports Rendsburg since this town was a disputed town with Denmark and they sometimes spelled the town with the "borg" ending)
2. The Cape was Dutch, thus it is more plausible to have a German/Danish name being Dutchified at the Cape, than have a Dutch name being altered to a German/Danish way of spelling at the Cape
3. In the document of request(11) for Land ownership, the measurement is given as "Rijnsland roeden". Yet place of origin for Claas in the same document is given as Rensburg. A clear distinction between 'Rens' and 'Rijns' thus not from the same root origin
4. The Dutch version has the prefix "Rijn" which was very commonly known, the river Rhine is spelt 'Rijn'
5. Claas does not appear as a Member of the Drakenstein Church (61k) (12) compiled by minister Petrus van Aken, even though Aletta is on it. A possible reason could be that he was Lutheran thus from German origin and not Calvinistic which would mean he was from Dutch origin
6. His son Hendrik (b6) spells the surname as Rensenbur (2k) , could this variation indicate the missing "d"
7. The Boer president W.C.J. van Renseburg of the ZAR 1863, spelt his surname (3k) (13)as such, yet conversely claims that he was from Dutch descent
8. If Claas served as a soldier, it should be noted that Germans tended to serve in the army and Dutch in the navy
9. The name Cecilia which may have been Claas's mother name is more common in northern Germany

This theory is supported by Dr J Hoge and H.T. Colenbrander(14)

From About on Profile

ORIGIN: Rendsburg on the border between Germany and Denmark. Confirmed by the Y-DNA test of Christo van Rensburg; there is no doubt that he came from Rendsburg, known by the Dutch as Rensburg. This disproves the alternative suggestion that the name derives from Rijnsburg near Leiden, in the Netherlands.

It isn't clear how Christo v Rensburg's YDNA confirms this.

...the convincing evidence in favor of Rijnsburg is found in the geographical dictionary of Van der Aa (1874).Rhendsburg is listed as an alternative to Rijnsburg:“RHENSBURG, d. in Rhineland, prov. South Holland. See Rijnburg. p.458. ” Furthermore, the town “Rhuynsburgh” is what Claas Jansz gave as his town origin when he stood as a baptismal witness, almost the same as “Rhuysburgh” as it appears in the geographical dictionary indicated.

And I therefore do not agree at all that there is "No evidence" for Rijnsburg. Two lines and YDNA have not been proved enough. People move around, and while it is quite possible that Claes Jansz's ancestors were more North of Overcoming, there is no evidence that this is where Claas lived.

translation of 2nd part of Johan's post

I find 2 Christo v Rensburgs on geni - neither is a user, and neither has Y DNA
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From FFYP: http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g5/p5320.htm
BirthOrigin* Claas was probably from Rendsburg, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany, and was perhaps born there in 1677. The date estimate is based on the average age men signed up with the VOC in the period. This location is most likely given that Y-DNA testing of direct patrlineal descendants indicates Claas Jansz was type I1a.

Several researchers, including Elmien Wood, have posited that he was from Rijnsburg. Ms Wood refers to geographical dictionary van der Aa (1874), in which it is stated that Rhendsburg is an alternative name for Rijnsburg.

In my view, this is an unlikely to be true in the case of Claas Jansz:. As Mansell Upham notes, researchers should also equally consider Danish, Friesian, High German, Low German & all the other dialectical variants found for present-day Slesvig-Holsten.

Furthermore, when he was recorded as Claas Jansz van Rhuynsburgh in 1722, and as Van Rijnsburg in other baptisms, the name would not have been written by him, but by the person who recorded the baptism in question - that is the minister - who would most likely have written it phonetically - i.e. based on his own assumption of what he heard. Researchers have not found his baptism in Rijnsburg, and to date, no one has searched for a baptism in Rendsburg.

In addition, it is clearly stated in his soldijrekenening that he was from Rensburg, and Ds. Beck, known to be accurate, records his provenance clearly as Rensburg.

In the the earliest [1702] known sample of his signature he signs Cß - Gothic script used in German and not Dutch - significantly it suggests he was at least somewhat literate in German. As Mansell Upham notes, German was the literate, royal, and written language also for Denmark and the rest of Scandinavia during the 17th century. In documents he signed during the 1720s, he uses the 'common' cursive script of the period (which was highly variable, but recognisable) - suggesting that this was acquired after his arrival at the Cape.1,2,3

Hmmm :-/

:-) So I thought you were going to take a coffee break from Geni while you were feeling grumpy :-) :-)

I and other Curators do your best to cut and lock unproved relationships. Start a Discussion from the profiles and we'll come and help you.

What was the real surname: van Rensburg, Janse van Rensburg, Jansen van Rensburg?

From: https://geocities.restorativland.org/Athens/Atlantis/4364/

Are they all from the same ancestor? and which is the authentic one? There was only one stamvader and the facts are that he signed his name as Claas Jansz. Which means Claas the son of Jan. In order to distinguish between all the people who were Jansz (In other words their fathers had the same name as our stamvader, there were scores of Jansz at the Cape: Claas Jansz: van Hofland; Claas Jansz: van Alkmaar; Claas Jansz: van Amsterdam; Claas Jansz: van Reeuwijk) the authorities added where they were from in order to distinguish them from one another. Thus some people eventually received a double surname. Based on Patronym and Toponym, who they were descendant from and where they originated from. My grandfather (Nicolaas Jacobus Janse van Rensburg) in our case decided to do away with one part of this double surname. To contend that one specific surname is the authentic one is absurd, since our stamvader only signed himself as Claas Jansz, and never included van Rensburg, note how he signs in a partnership contract and the authorities adds the explantory:"dit heeft Claas Jansz v: Rensburg geschrewen"(72k), meaning this is written by Claas Jansz: from/of Rensburg. We have six documented signature's, enclosed you may view them and some comments (14k) (15) of him. Some family members insist on using 'Janse' and others vehemently insist on 'Jansen'. Two of Claas's sons' signatures already adopts both these positions. Janse used by b1 Johannes (2k) and Jansen used by b6 Hendrik (2k) .

In Afrikaans the "van" has two meanings: it means "surname", and also "from". Some in the family use three words as our surname "Janse van Rensburg". When it comes to spelling one finds all kinds of variations, it should be kept in mind that it was Ecclesiastical figures and Company officials who recorded the names and they spelled it whichever way it sounded. Thus even in the original documents you will have differences. Other surnames were "Dutchified". All this further complicates the search for his place of origin. R.T.J. Lombard(16) sheds a different view on people such as Claas, whose place of origin his descendants took as their surname. According to him, the place of origin does not necessarily indicate the place of birth, it could just indicate the place of last dwelling. If this is the case with Claas Jansz, which Lombard specifically uses as an example, then it makes it so much more difficult to get a connection to a European country or place of birth. There have been numerous variation in usage and spelling of our surname.

Private User you're Curating - can you give us your thoughts on the parents included here?

cf Jan Jansz van Rensburg and Cecilia Janse van Rensburg