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Started by Sharon Doubell on Thursday, June 3, 2021
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Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 12:50 AM

Can anyone find the documents that validate this note in the About?:

"Note - Christoffel was married twice first to Hester

Potgieter in 1733 and she died in 1735. After a decent interval

Chistoffel got married again on the 10th of November 1737 to Catharina

Blom and he wasted no time in getting his new wife pregnant. So, it is

really only Theunis b1c2d1 -- christened on 18 July 1734 -- and Maria

Magdelana b1c2d2 -- christened on 5 Feb 1736 -- that arose from the

first marriage. And Catharian Botha -- who was christened on 13 Oct

1749 -- most certainly had Catharina Blom as her mother and not Hester

Potgieter.

As brought to our notice by Edward (Ted) Reinier Swart b2c2d2

SAG Volume 1 has omitted this bit of vital information"
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 12:53 AM

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Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 12:56 AM

Ok - I've found this on FFYP: He married Hester Potgieter, daughter of Johannes Potgieter and Marija Catrijna van Eden, on 13 December 1733 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Drakenstein, de Caep de Goede Hoop.4

http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g8/p8866.htm

No children, though

J P Weyers
6/3/2021 at 12:59 AM

Why not Appel according to yDNA ?
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 1:07 AM

Because his legal surname was Botha :-)
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 1:08 AM

PW Appel and Naas Appel? :-)

J P Weyers
6/3/2021 at 1:08 AM

Removed Swellendam established 1743 as his place of birth and also removed Tulbagh established 1804 as his place of death !
Swellendam named after Hendrik Swellengrebel in 1743 , he only arrived at the Cape 1739 !
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 1:09 AM

cf Hester Johanna Botha ; Theunis Botha b1c2d1; Maria Magdalena Botha
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 1:10 AM

Thank you.

J P Weyers
6/3/2021 at 1:11 AM

Catharina Blom wife 10 November 1737

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CLGV-MJW2

His d.o.b. ?? Baptism was 11 February 1713

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRLQ-Z2Q

J P Weyers
6/3/2021 at 1:12 AM

Naas did have those teeth --------

Was thinking of Christoffel Snijman whose father legaly was the husband of his mother ?

J P Weyers
6/3/2021 at 1:17 AM

Legally his surname was Cornelisz surely . Was Maria Kickers ever married to Botha ?
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 1:17 AM

cf Catharina Blom

  1. *Maria Catharina du Toit
  2. *Pieter Barend Botha, (d4)
  3. *Christoffel Botha, (d5)
  4. *Jacobus Botha, (d6)
  5. *Jacobus Botha, (d6)
  6. *Philip Rudolph Botha, (d7)
  7. *Margaretha Louisa Botha, (d10)
  8. *Theunis Christoffel Botha, (d9)
  9. *Susanna Elizabeth Botha, (d11)
  10. *Agatha Geerttruy Botha, (d12)
  11. *Johanna Christina Botha, (d13)
  12. *Petrus Christoffel Botha
  13. *Pieter Barend Botha
  14. *Christoffel Botha
  15. *Jacobus Botha
  16. *Phillip Rudolf Botha
  17. *Theunis Christoffel Botha
  18. *Margaretha Louisa De Beer
  19. *Susanna Elizabeth Karutz, SM
  20. *Agatha Geertruy Mundt. van Bergen
  21. *Johanna Christina Botha

Please let some of these be duplicates - this poor woman!!

J P Weyers
6/3/2021 at 1:19 AM

is a child of Theunis Botha, b bef 15 April 1686.
Called Botha after his mother, Maria Kickers' , 1700 divorce from Jan Cornelisz (who is shown as his father on the birth certificate).
At which time she said her 7 children were Frederich Botha's. However, a recent DNA study by the University of Pretoria reveal him to have been the biological son of Ferdinandus Appel.

J P Weyers
6/3/2021 at 1:23 AM

Petrus Christoffel Botha
1738–1741 • LHLL-LNR ​​
Pieter Barend Botha
1741–1782 • L4SX-67V ​​
Christoffel Botha
1744–Deceased • LZBS-6X1 ​​
Jacobus Botha
1745–Deceased • LHLL-LVJ ​​
Philip Rudolph Botha
1747–1778 • G7MN-KCY ​​
Maria Catharina Botha
1749–1810 • KLY5-Z42 ​​
Theunis Christoffel Botha
1751–1814 • LTT1-67B ​​
Margaretha Louisa Botha b1c2d10
1754–1797 • L4H9-ZKW ​​
Susanna Elizabeth Botha
1755–Deceased • L2SY-BSQ ​​
Agatha Geertruij Botha
1759–Deceased • 2Z98-PM5 ​​
Johanna Christina Botha
1761–1810 • 2CB5-J26

On Familysearch --might help .
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 1:24 AM

https://media.geni.com/p13/ef/bf/9a/14/5344483fb8c90cf9/catharinablom_original.jpg?hash=caef086089473ec46bcf04246d6ca03214ed5cdfae65f2d8e0d9f04f0f89e50c.1736927999

MOOC 10 Aug 1762

  1. Pieter Barendsz 20yrs
  2. Jacobus 18yrs
  3. Philippus Rudolfus 14yrs
  4. Maria Catherina 13yrs
  5. Theunis Christoffel 11yrs
  6. Margaretha Lowisa 8yrs
  7. Susanna Elisabeth 6yrs
  8. Agatha 3yrs
  9. Johanna Christina 8mnths
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 1:25 AM

It does - thanks
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 1:34 AM
  1. Petrus Christoffel Botha 1738–1741
  2. Pieter Barend Botha 1741–1782
  3. Christoffel Botha 1744–< Aug 1762
  4. Jacobus Botha 1745–> Aug 1762
  5. Philip Rudolph Botha 1747–1778
  6. Maria Catharina Botha 1749–1810
  7. Theunis Christoffel Botha 1751–1814
  8. Margaretha Louisa Botha 1754–1797
  9. Susanna Elizabeth Botha 1755–> Aug 1762
  10. Agatha Geertruij Botha 1759–> Aug 1762
  11. Johanna Christina Botha 1761–1810
J P Weyers
6/3/2021 at 1:34 AM

Are you merging them all ?

Have to work now ; Loadshedding at 12 again !
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 1:44 AM

Hester Johanna Potgieter c1716 - 1737

  1. Theunis 1734 -
  2. Maria Magdalena c1735 -1775

Catharina Blom 1723 -1762

  1. Petrus Christoffel Botha 1738–1741
  2. Pieter Barend Botha 1741–1782
  3. Christoffel Botha 1744–< Aug 1762
  4. Jacobus Botha 1745–> Aug 1762
  5. Philip Rudolph Botha 1747–1778
  6. Maria Catharina Botha 1749–1810
  7. Theunis Christoffel Botha 1751–1814
  8. Margaretha Louisa Botha 1754–1797
  9. Susanna Elizabeth Botha 1755–> Aug 1762
  10. Agatha Geertruij Botha 1759–> Aug 1762
  11. Johanna Christina Botha 1761–1810
Sharon Doubell C
6/3/2021 at 1:44 AM

First working out the actual kids.

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