Lucy Ward (Mayes) - Need a curator familiar with Granny Hopper, please and thank you

Started by Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 on Wednesday, May 5, 2021
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5/5/2021 at 2:49 PM

Lucy Ann Colcher Thompson Howell Luckey
Lucy C Livingston Plunkett

As some know, I have DNA matches to many who claim the Cherokee line.
As some know, I tree build on Geni with DNA matches in order to find the MRCA.

In my Ancestry Thrulines, even though I disconnected parents for my Susannah Emerson I continue to get DNA matches who have Sookie (Su-Gi) "Granny Hopper" McDaniel in their tree and so I added them back and from time to time I will work on them there and here.

All of my ancestors matter to me but the "brick wall" grands are the ones that Geni has been very helpful in that there are extra measures to ensure the wrong child or wrong parents are not connected. While it is upsetting to see a set of parents disconnected in Geni, I cannot stress how good it "feels" to have a line verified.

DNA is only as good as the tree you find it in. I am most definitely a cousin to these others who claim Granny Hopper. I did not realize how controversial that was until I mentioned it on a public forum once upon a time.

Anyway, please look at these two daughters named LUCY. Do EITHER belong?

5/5/2021 at 2:52 PM

(For clarification: We can and DO find ancestry with DNA matchers who have NO tree and this is indeed a way to confirm paternity. I am referring specifically to ancestry which is further back)

5/6/2021 at 4:19 AM

Lucy Mayes WARD (W)
1789 - 1867
*W/o George Ward; M/o Sabrina (Arthur); Charlotte
(Stover); Wiley John; James; Susan (Lindsey) Martha
"Patsey"(Countryman); Mary (Clarke) Samuel M.; Nancy
(Wm. Dameron) Lucy Ann (Colcher-Thompson-Howell-&
Luckey, 4 husbs); Melinda (Thornton) Ward.

http://files.usgwarchives.net/ok/delaware/cemeteries/ward.txt

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not the daughter of Lucy Mays and George Ward:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KCKF-WYH

Can be disconnected.

5/6/2021 at 10:41 AM

Thank you, Eugene Thomas Disconnect which one?

5/6/2021 at 10:45 AM
5/6/2021 at 11:53 AM

Correct.

5/6/2021 at 12:08 PM

Done. Thank you so so much, Eugene :)

5/6/2021 at 6:17 PM

My family "lore" has been that our 2x great grandmother, Pernetta Cornelia Ginn claimed she is a descendant of Granny Hopper. Granny Hopper's daughter was Agnes Dougherty, mentioned in Georgia history as married to Richard Tyner. Agnes was called "Sookie" or Su-Gi in some instances. It was told to the family that she was the daughter of a Scotland Trader named McDaniel and Granny Hopper. She married first to a James Dougherty, then married Richard "Black Hawk" Tyner whose first wife died in Creek conflict. My 2x great grandmother told of her great aunt Tamar Tyner who was taken in with her sister by the Creeks and she escaped by canoe after her sister was bartered away by a trader who married her sister. I have a Georgia article written about the Tyner family, I am descendant of Elizabeth Tyner Boatright, Agnes McDaniel Dougherty Tyner's daughter with Richard Tyner. Would love to find her parents, as her profile keeps being altered, merged, deleted, etc.

5/7/2021 at 10:05 AM

Janice Witt wow!
Thank you so much for sharing.
I wonder if we would be closer than 13th cousins as the Geni shows?
I cannot work on relationships for that far up the tree here on Geni as my line may or may not be correct and is disconnected as unproven. But I am able to add from my DNA matches further down the tree and this is one example... two different Lucy Wards... and so I am glad to be able to work on them in a public, collaborative way.

5/7/2021 at 1:03 PM

Cynthia Hicks Curtis, I would be thrilled to join research as Agnes "Su Gi" has been a source of discussion by fellow descendants. Let me know what I can do to help us find the answers. I also wonder if my cousinships shown on Geni are the only relationships as I have found that my Geni lines always take the same path. My father's line is ignored, but it may be that I need to fill in more of my tree on Geni.

5/8/2021 at 7:43 AM

Janice Witt you can get some amazing "clues" from where and how the relationships go... I have at least one person of color per each of my four grandparents. I have many brick walls at the third and fourth great grand levels that DNA is helping me break down and to confirm but it is only as good as the tree...
I will help any way I can.
Typically I only look at Susannah's line if a new match shows up with a common ancestor/Thruline hint from Ancestry or if I run across an old match when I am looking for someone else...
You start to get familiar with WHERE they SHOULD be in the Geni relationships...
For me, it is around Boykin/Holt which has branched off from Webber/Honeycutt on Dad's side... and Swaim/Utterback, Bledsoe/etc on mom's ... mom's diverse ancestry seems to be a larger group than my dad's but... I am a visual person so it is easier for me to SEE it than to explain it lol
ANd I have several same names that both parents share who are not yet connected so could be any day ;)

5/8/2021 at 7:48 AM

Janice Witt if you will look at the DNA tabs on these profiles here on Geni and also check out the Discussion tab for each., those will give you some info. I am thinking, from memory only, that my Susannah McDaniels is represented on a segment located on chromosome 20. My maternal uncle is the only one of 24 aunts/uncles to DNA test and only three of them remain but no one is willing to do DNA.

5/8/2021 at 7:49 AM

By 24 I mean both my maternal AND my paternal in total. I only have one aunt left on my mom's side and an aunt and an uncle on my dad's.
So sad when they leave us.

5/8/2021 at 12:45 PM

Cynthia Hicks Curtis, my parents and I used 23andme for DNA testing, I use Ancestry, FamilySearch, etc. for some sources and resources, but my Ancestry tree has no DNA to connect people. We all three have GEDmatch kit numbers and I belong to several ancestor projects there. I have three common cousins through Pernetta Ginn McVey (all of us are 2x great grandchildren of hers) one says that we are descendants of Cornelius Daugherty and Elizabeth Bunch, one says that we are descendants of William David James McDaniel a trader and Granny Hopper, and the third says he isn't researching the line right now....wish there was a way to go back in time and have them fill in the tree themselves. Both my parents have common ancestors and links to Nansemond Tribe. Looking forward to combining information.

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