Lubetkin in Slonim - Records? All Related?

Started by Private User on Sunday, May 2, 2021
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Private User
5/2/2021 at 7:23 AM

Currently, Geni shows siblings
Aron Lubetkin b. January 18, 1891, Slonim, Hrodzyenskaya Voblasts’, Belarus; d. January 13, 1987, Kiev, Kiev city, Kyiv city, Ukraine
for Aron Lubetkin -- No Documentation, Reference, etc.
Yakov-Itzhak Lubetkin b. January 25, 1910, Slonim, Hrodzyenskaya Voblasts’, Belarus; d. circa 1942
for Yakov-Itzhak Lubetkin
Genia Lubetkin b. Slonim, Hrodzyenskaya Voblasts’, Belarus; d. circa 1941
for Genia Lubetkin -- No Documentation, Reference, etc.

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And currently Geni shows father and son
Tzvi Lubetkin b. before 1840, Slonim, Slonim District, Grodno Region, Belarus
for Tzvi Lubetkin -- No Documentation, Reference, etc.
Boruch (Lubetkin) Lebetkin b. 1858, Slonim, Slonim District, Grodno Region, Belarus; d. August 11, 1929, London, United Kingdom
for Boruch Jacob Lebetkin

Private User
5/2/2021 at 7:31 AM

JewishGen reports that the current town of Byten, Belarus
Is/was also called Byten' [Rus], Byteń [Pol], Biten [Yid], Bycień [Bel], Buten'

And c. 1900 / Before WWI
it was Byten in Slonim in Grodno in Russian Empire

And c. 1930 / Between Wars
It was Byteń in Słonim in Nowogródek in Poland

So that adds more.

Private User
5/3/2021 at 12:05 PM

Aron and Yakov-Itzhak Lubetkin were siblings born around 1891 and 1910

Boruch born about 1858 in Slonim - so too early to be a sibling of Aron and Yakov-Itzhak Lubetkin, and probably not a Cousin no removes.
Boruch then moved to the United Kingdom.

Per Geni, Boruch Lubetkin' s father is Tzvi Lubetkin, probably born 1840 or before
and the father of Aron, Yakov-Itzhak, etc. Lubetkin is Leib Lubetkin - probably born around 1870, maybe before - but fathering children circa 1891 and 1910.

Private User
5/3/2021 at 12:07 PM

Anybody know of any records that might help?

Any descendants that can do DNA Testing?

5/3/2021 at 9:51 PM

Information about Aron is true, he was my relative and i met him personally.

Private User
5/6/2021 at 6:40 AM

CORRECTION -- Yakov-Itzhak Lubetkin NOT b. January 25, 1910, that was an error, he was born 1880 or about 1880.
So the father of Aron, Yakov-Itzhak, etc. Lubetkin - Leib Lubetkin - probably born before about 1860.

So now it seems Boruch and Leib the right age to be siblings (or first cousins or etc).
Boruch's father listed as Tzvi.

Tzvi and Hirsh are the same name, Tzvi the Hebrew - Hirsh the Yiddish. Hershel is a sort of diminutive of Hirsh, Hertzl a Germanic spelling. In America, often Harry is used.

Private User
5/6/2021 at 7:07 AM

In 2017, Alan Shooter ( Private ) merged two profiles, at that time named Leib Lubetkin and Labeh Lubetkin, into the current Leib Lubetkin

Both had a wife Maita. Both had a son Yakov-Itzhak (actually the same profile, from two profiles that had been merged back in 2016).
And each had many children that the other did not .

Leib had five (5) children:
Aron, Genia, Leiba, plus one that was private (on Revision screen I see as <private> Lubetkin") and Yakov-Itzak.
Leib and his children Aron, Genia, Leiba, and one of the profiles merged into Yakov-Itzak had all been created by Konstantin Sinelnikov
The private profile is managed by, and was probably added by, Saul Feldman

Labeh had seven (7) children (counting two of Shimon, which were later merged, as one):
Eudice, Hertzl, Kuseal, Malka, Shimon, Yakov-Itzhak, Yisroel (Harry).
Labeh and one of the versions of Shimon and one of the profiles merged into Yakov-Itzak had been created by Joel Daniel Gedalius
The other five - Eudice, Hertzl, Kuzeal, Malka, Yisroel (Harry) - plus one of the versions of Shimon - were all added by ​Saul Feldman

Konstantin - Aron was your relative whom you met. You had added three siblings for him. Do you think he really had all these additional siblings, or have maybe two families been conflated, or?

Private User
5/6/2021 at 7:47 AM

Saul Feldman -
1) You added Eudice, Hertzl, Kuzeal, Malka, Yisroel (Harry) -- no dates or etc., just the names for them -- where did you get those names / why did you add them as children of Labeh?
2) would you please make deceased and public their sibling you manage who is currently marked living and private,
3) Do you agree Labeh and Leib are the same person, or do you think maybe two families were conflated, or??

5/6/2021 at 9:17 AM

My aunt Lyubov Shekhtman is the daughter of Aron Lyubetkin. She is alive and living in Israel. All the information and dates that I put were recorded in 2013 from her words and the words of her own sister, Franya Grigorieva, who is now deceased.

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