A connection to Warren Co, NC?

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4/28/2021 at 12:37 PM

There was a William Marks listed on the 1790 Census for Warren County, NC. After 1791, this William Marks disappears from Warren County. I think he may have moved to Chatham County, NC.

William Marks (may be the son of the William Marks in Warren Co), married Margaret Salter of Bladen County, NC. Margaret's father died in 1797, she wed William Marks shortly thereafter, and this couple moved to Chatham County, NC about 1799/1800. There are two William Marks found on 1800 Census for Chatham, an elder and a younger.

William Marks found in Warren County, NC married Temperance Wright, dau of William Wright. She is listed as Templer Marks in her father's 1791 will and William Marks made purchases at the estate sale. Temperance had a brother named Uel/Ewell Wright and he is listed in the will as her brother.

The only other Marks listed in Warren County, NC that I can find was a Fennell Marks d. 1777, widow named Amey. Thomas Newman was a bondsman on probate papers as well as John Hawkins.

I think Fennel Marks and William Marks in Warren County, NC may be the sons of John Marks and Hannah Eidson in Richmond, Virginia. John Marks 1791 will lists sons, William, and gives to his grandson, also named William, in lieu of son Fennell (the Fennell in Warren Co did die in 1777, 14 years prior to John), a slave. Hannah is the daughter of Edward Eidson and Penelope Wilson from Virginia. John Marks is the son of William Marks and (supposedly) Francis Fennell.

Hannah Eidson married John Marks, whose family had a close relationship with Elias Fennell, (probably through the wife of William Marks who married Francis Fennell?). Hannah's mother, Penelope Wilson Eidson, married after Edward Eidson died, Elias Fennell (son of John Fennell) and third to Alexander Newman. Elias Fennell became the step father to Hannah Eidson and she wed John Marks, friend of Elias Fennell. As noted from John's will, he had a son named Fennel Marks. He also named a son Elias Marks.

John Marks (m. Hannah Edison) had a sister named Frances (or Francis) Marks Thorton who is listed in the will of Elias Fennell. A Francis Thorton died in Warren County, NC in 1797 (estate papers found on Family Search).

I have several atDNA matches to the Marks/Eidson line on Ancestry and FTDNA. I am hoping to find Marks males who are willing to Y-DNA test so we can sort out the Marks lines.

I have Y-DNA tested two male Marks cousins (pending one test now) - currently the other cousin whose results are back, has zero matches at Y-37 and Y-67. We are in Group R1b grouped by haplogroup at FTDNA under kit # 872718. My other cousin's kit # is 954790 and his results are currently pending. Both men descend from John Marks, my 4th great grandfather who showed up in Chatham County, NC around 1799/1800.

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4/29/2021 at 3:41 PM

Well, that rules out one person as the direct link between John Marks and his grandson or grandnephew Vincent Marks. If the link is there as a descendant it is either Elias or an unrecorded child. It is not impossible that Elias IS Vincent ((middle name, reversible names, or maybe just a a self-selected name)

4/30/2021 at 6:45 AM

James Marks, who may be the son of the William Marks who shows up on the 1800 Census for Chatham County, NC, named a son Elias. Interesting how these names are repeated throughout this Marks family.

Can you provide more information on your Elias and Vincent? Have you DNA tested?

I have Y-DNA tested a male Marks cousin and he has no matches at 37 or 67 Markers. I recently Y-DNA tested another male Marks cousin and results are pending. We are in FTDNA Group R1b grouped by haplogroup (R-M269). None of the other men in the Group show up on the match list in FTDNA though - we just all have the same haplogroup.

Both of the Y-DNA testers descend from John Marks who is the brother of James Marks noted above. Both John and James are probably the sons of the elder William Marks who is on the 1800 Census for Chatham County, NC. I have no idea where the elder William Marks came from. There is a possibility that he is the same William Marks listed on the 1790 Census for Warren County, NC. Without a doubt, the Warren County, NC Marks have a connection back to the Richmond County, VA Marks. The names that are repeated in old Bute/Warren County, Fennell Marks, Francis Thornton, Doser Thornton, William Marks, are just too much to be a mere coincidence.

Another cousin has a 43 cM atDNA match to a Marks male who claims descent from Edward Marks, (possible?) son of John Marks and Hannah Eidson through a Thomas B. Marks (m. Annis Coker) of Edgecombe County, NC. Both have estate files at Family Search. Edward Marks does have a Rev War file but there is nothing in it that makes a connection to John Marks and Hannah Eidson as far as I can tell. No Edward is mentioned in the will of John Marks and I have not found documentation to prove this claim. I have asked the administrator of his DNA test to upgrade to Y-37 or Y-67 if possible to see if he is a match to my Marks males.

In looking at the transcribed will of John Marks in VA, the only children mentioned are:
daus Betty Bruce, Francis Bragg, Penelope Carter, Mary Wilson, Hannah Bruce, Sarah Crask, Susannah Crask, Anne Newman
sons William, John, Elias, Fennell
grdau Jane Newman, dau of Anne Newman
grson William Marks (inherited in lieu of father Fennell who has died - Fennell Marks in Bute Co, NC did die in 1777, 14 years before John Marks died in VA)

I thought it may be possible that the William Marks mentioned in 1790 Warren County, NC might be the son of Fennell Marks, but it is just not possible. I cannot make the timeline fit. I can make the timeline fit with the William Marks in Chatham County, NC in 1800. All of his children were born between ~1774 and ~1780. (William 1774, James 1775, John 1776, George 1777, Susan 1779, Ewell, 1780)

William Marks on the 1790 Census is listed with 7 children, 5 males under age 16 in 1790, making the oldest born about 1774. The ages are nearly exact to the known siblings of my John and James Marks in Chatham County, NC. There is also the evidence that Temperance Wright Marks (from Warren County, NC) had a brother named Ewell and my John and James also had a brother named Ewell (not a common name).

If Fennell Marks was born about 1740, he probably married about 1765, children came along 1766 or 67 and the oldest child would be about 21 years old in 1788. This timeline does not allow for the William Marks to be married with 7 children by 1790. So, Fennell and William could have been brothers or even cousins. No children are mentioned in Fennell's estate file, only his wife, Amey, who is somehow connected to Thomas Newman who was bondsman.

Name William Marks
Home in 1790 (City, County, State) Warren, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 5 (sons William 1774, James 1775, John 1776, George 1777, Ewell, 1780)
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 1 (William Marks)
Free White Persons - Females: 3 (wife Temperance and 2 daus Susan 1779, and 1 unknown (perhaps Elizabeth?)
Number of Household Members: 9

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