Dirk Janszoon van Quackenbosch - Evidence needed

Started by Alex Moes on Wednesday, April 21, 2021
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Good morning Arlis Deanna Taylor

The ABOUT text of Dirk Aelbertszoon van Quackenbosch (who's name is currently configured as Dirk Janszoon van Quackenbosch) starts with the words "Dirk Nanszoon van Quackenbosch", Nanszoon is not a patronym with which I am familiar but could quite easily i suppose be a simple typo?

Either way it does not fit with his father's name of Aelbert, as listed under the heading PARENTS.

In the next paragraph his name is presented as Derick Albertzoon Van Quakenbosch, it seems this may be a direct quote from "Colonial Families of the USA, 1607-1775".

The remainder (and vast majority) of the About is a description of Colonial Families of the USA, 1607-1775, which isn't in itself at all helpful in proving anything about Dirk.

Arlis Deanna Taylor it looks very much like you have confused Dirk's mother and wife (is there any evidence for either)?

You have added a data field to the profile: MARRIAGE: 1526, Jasparken Maren, Leiden, South Holland, Netherlands.
Why add this as an additional data field? Why not add a profile for the wife?

Regardless, in the About you've listed "Jasparken van Maren, 1460-1514" as the parent of Dirk.

Of course it is possible Dirk married a cousin who's name was exactly the same as his mother's but it would seem more plausible that an error has crept in at some stage.

At the bottom the ABOUT includes several mentions of Ancestry, but no links to specific documents or profiles on the Ancestry site, I don't actually have ANcestry membership so even a direct link wouldn't help me.

Can you please present the actual portion of the text from "Colonial Families of the USA, 1607-1775" which discusses Dirk, I have tried to find a public available copy online but with no success so far, if you know of one please link to it.

Sorry, Alex

Arlis Deanna Taylor no need to apologise, perhaps you could address some of the points I have raised?

You've now edited the ABOUT of Dirk Aelbertszoon van Quackenbosch quite extensively but it still contains no actual evidence and as before the two references are to a book I cannot find online and to Ancestry which is so unspecific that even if it wasn't behind a paywall wouldn't lead to anything in particular.

The ABOUT now starts with the sentence: Dirck Albertszoon van Quackenbosch, "13 great granfather." which might be accurate for you but certainly is not for me and probably not for many other Geni users, please don't put these sorts of notes on collaborative websites.

With the stated DOB of c1500 having a son named "John" in 1520 would be quite young, so might imply a birth a bit earlier which would line up better with the mention later of a brother born 1471. Except the mother is listed as born 1460 so the veracity of any of these data points is called into doubt, especially as "John" is allegedly born in Reusel-de Mierden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reusel-De_Mierden#Genealogy

The second son, Aelbert, has the same dates as "John" just with the locations swapped around?

The fourth son, Jan, is born 1565 (at which time Dirck would be in his mid/late 60s) in Oestgeest which is a town associated with the American Van Quackenbosch family which has no actual proven links to this family, other than sharing the same name.

According to Familysearch and Ancestry Dirk Jansszoon van Quackenbosch is my 13th Great Grandfather.
Kind Regards, Arlis

I assume you are an American?

Descendant of the New York family Quackenbosch?

If so then it is unlikely you can prove a connection to this man.

Unless each generation in the Ancestry/FamilySearch tree is supported by evidence that meets genealogical standards then the fact that those trees show a relationship is not evidence in and of itself.

I have worked hard to put the Dirk Janszoon van Quackenbosch Profile together. I did put Evidence on the Profile. If it Displeases you, I'm Sorry.
Kind Regards, Arlis

Hi Arlis Deanna Taylor i am sure you have worked hard, that's why I'm asking you the questions. Thank you for posting the page from the book https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000174971179099 it is interesting and i think the page before might be even more so.

Yet, unfortunately the page starts with a discussion of the coast of arms. From the discussion we can deduce that a man named Dirk Albertzoon Van Quakenbosch was active in 1529 and must have been a man of some means by this point. Hence the c1500 date of birth. It can reasonably be assumed, though isn't guaranteed, that his father's name was Aelbert or some variant of that name.

This is all the information that the extract supports.

The following section begins with a statement that the American immigrant Pieter was a direct descendant of Dirk, it then goes on to list Pieter's descendants.

The extract gives absolutely no evidence for it's statement that Pieter descends from Dirk, so it proves nothing at all.

Hi Alex, I have added two more pages for Dirk Aelbertszoon van Quackenbosch. Please read them. It may of interest to you. I have added all the Evidence I could find.
Kind Regards, Arlis Taylor

Hi Alex, I want to tell you I'm 75 yeas old. I do make errors when I tyoe. I have researched Dirk Aelbertszoon van Quackenbosh as far as I can. If you want me to remove anything I have added, I will.
Thank Alex for Listening to me.
Kind Regards, Arlis Taylor

Hello Arlis, Thank you for posting those two extra pages that I asked about.

Sadly they hold no value genealogically for researching the origins of the Quackenbosch family, the author of "Colonial Families of the USA, 1607-1775" simply makes the statement that the American progenitor of the family is descendent from Aelbert Quackenbosch as a fait accompli so it proves nothing.

Sadly, this means as a genealogical source the book is almost worthless, and certainly doesn't link the US family to the Leiden family. Unless it is somewhere else but it would seem strange for it not to be mentioned in this section.

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