Anne Gold (Notte) - This Anne Notte could not have married Hugh Gold

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4/14/2021 at 4:23 AM

Although many sources [starting with Victorian era books] state that ThomasNotte sold his Manor to Anne Gold, supposedly his granddaughter [daughter of his daughter Anne Notte & Hugh Gold of London] in 1621/22, this version of events is simply not possible.

*Thomas Notte married his wife Elizabeth Olden AFTER 1613, when her first husband John Winthropp died. [Thomas is involved in later chancery cases about the Winthropp estate, proving that Thomas is her second husband].

* Thomas Notte and Elizabeth Olden had 4 daughters; listed [presumably in order] on Thomas's 1636 Funeral certificate. Anne Notte was listed last, so presumably the youngest & unmarried. The eldest daughter Elizabeth Notte was shown as married to Henry Becher.

* In any case, Anne could have not have been born before 1617, by which point Anne Gold [daughter of Hugh Gold and his wife Anne] was already married to Sir Thomas Evelyn {Hugh's will of 1617], so could not possibly be the mother of Thomas Evelyn's wife Anne, who was grown up and married when Anne Notte was only an infant, if she was born at all.

* Although I cannot find any evidence, there is an earlier Thomas Notte [son of William Notte & Elizabeth Smythe], who was still alive in 1587 [in his mother's will]. It is possible that he left a daughter & granddaughter Anne.

Private User
4/16/2021 at 2:50 AM

Well observed Jenny!
After you've got a curator to separate the two Annes, can I suggest that you put links (to each other) on their respective profiles, and perhaps a link on Mrs Anne Gold's profile to her possible place in the Notte tree.

4/20/2021 at 7:41 PM

Anne Notte & Anne Gold please check.

4/20/2021 at 7:45 PM

Reposting the very informative post here from Private User

https://www.geni.com/discussions/216411?msg=1467759

Hi Curators,
I would appreciated it if somebody could split this profile away from the children of Thomas Notte and Elizabeth Olden Anne (Corkes) Gold

I have made a new profile for Anne Notte Anne Notte as

He did indeed have a daughter Anne Notte [known from his 1636 funeral certificate when she was still unmarried], but she was born after 1617 & not remotely old enough to be the Anne who married Hugh Gold [who died in 1617] & had a daughter who purchased the Manor of Long Ditton from William Notte in 1621/22. Hugh's only known wife was Anne Corkes [but she may have been a widow, so could have been a Notte by birth] Thomas Notte did have an Uncle Thomas Notte who could potentially have had a daughter Anne, but there is no evidence.

Hugh Gold did mention a wife Anne & a son in law Thomas Evelyn in his 1617 will & Thomas Evelyn did hold the Manor of Long Ditton, so that is correct.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/surrey/vol3/pp516-522
49. Feet of F. Surr. Trin. 19 Jas. I; Hil. 19 Jas. I; Close, 19 Jas. I, pt. xxi, no. 25. According to Manning and Bray she was daughter and heir of Hugh Gold by Anne heir of Thomas Notte. Sir Edward Evelyn's settlement on his daughter confirms that she was his own grandmother, and calls the manor her inheritance, and later the inheritance of Thomas Notte.[I am not sure this is correct-Edward Evelyn's will refers to the property as an inheritance from his father. Admittedly I have not seen the marriage settlement in question. However, the Manor WAS Thomas Notte's inheritance from his father, but it doesn't follow that that is how Anne Gold & Thomas Evelyn came to posses it.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/surrey/vol3/pp462-467
In 1603 George Evelyn died seised of the reversion of the manor after the death of Sir Francis. (fn. 14) Before 1613 the manor was in the hands of the Evelyn family, and in that year Thomas Evelyn, who then held it, settled it on his son Sir Thomas Evelyn and Anne his wife in tail male, with contingent remainders successively to his younger sons George and William. (fn. 15) Thomas Evelyn the elder died in 1617, and was succeeded by his eldest son Sir Thomas. (fn. 16) From him the manor decended to his son Sir Edward Evelyn, kt. and bart., who held it in 1685. (fn. 17) He died in 1692, (fn. 18) and his son George Evelyn having died childless in 1685, (fn. 19) his estates passed to his daughter Sophia Evelyn. She must have conveyed the manor to her sister Lady Penelope Alston, for Sir Joseph Alston, husband of Penelope, held a court. (fn. 20) Joseph Alston their son settled it on his marriage in 1718, but died childless, and his brother Evelyn Alston sold it to Lord King before 1721. (fn. 21) Lord King was in possession of the tithes in 1727. (fn. 22) His lineal descendant, the Earl of Lovelace, is now lord of the manor.

Edward Evelyn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Evelyn

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/ev...

I hope I have managed to express the situation clearly enough- Thomas Notte & Elizabeth Olden did have a daughter Anne Notte. Anne Notte

Hugh Gold, Grocer of London did have a wife Anne & they did have a daugher Anne who married Thomas Evelyn but they are not the same person Anne (Corkes) Gold although the error seems to date back to the Victorian era at least.

Private User
4/22/2021 at 3:07 AM

Thank you very much Erica Howton, that looks perfect!

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