Manfredi Maletta - Manfredi Maletta and other early Maletta family

change machine translator, Treccani says "they ignore the name".

info about of Guglielmo II Maletta, signore di Pettineo are Medlands & Genmarenostrum table

Why do you upload a document as an image? (without filling in dates, origins and author?)

What is this squared document?
..a 1950s reconstruction of the middle school https://pluchinotta.edu.it/ ?

I copied it as an image because I don't have the original document and it is not available on the internet. However, I do have access to images of the document so that's why I loaded it that way.

I provided the source reference in the "about" section, you could have looked there before getting sarcastic. I will repeat it here for your convenience:

Source: Vol II, Part II, pgs. 10-11, Pluchinotta, Mario. Genealogie della Nobiltà di Sicilia (Genealogies of the Nobility of Sicily), c1950. Municipal Library of Palermo, Marchesi Palace, rare manuscripts section, 2Qq-E-166 Volumes I-IV

You haven't addressed the fundamental question I posed. I don't believe that Manfredi is the son of Guglielmo. I intend on changing that relationship, and then completing the merges.

Any objections?

I do not know where to begin.
Don't touch that knot, it is beyond your abilities.
it is an intersection of brotherly information, scrupulously reported in each info-about of the profiles.

the 1950's DIY document that you dont know how to load and fill in correctly, it could easily be a side branch, a hypothesis, an error, and / or many other things...

if Genmarenostrum give the number 2 to Guglielmo II Maletta, signore di Pettineo, it means there is also a #1, then maybe branch over in your gingham paper.

(look at the surname names of the wives) As I wrote you last year on Manfredi I Maletta, conte di Mineo:
>> would be the the node of Manfredi I Maletta, conte di Mineo
but none of the profiles that would lead to the merge emerge from the few sources listed so far..
'''..in addition, all dates of birth would be wrong by one generation. ''' <<

ahh yes, then there are the dates, precisely the dates of birth, and not of death.. in the Middle Ages this is very very strange. it's a very bad sign.

I started this discussion by being very specific about what I wanted to do, providing the tree merges I wish to approve (siblings), suggesting another merge (their father) and pointing out that the documentation that you previously provided clearly states that Manfredi is not the son of Guglielmo II Maletta, signore di Pettineo, which is what currently exists on Geni. Medlands & Genmarenostrum do not indicate that Gugliemo is the father of Manfredi.

You are worried that I will merge Manfredi I Maletta, conte di Mineo with Manfredi I Maletta, conte di Mineo. I have no intention of doing that. I believe Manfredi I Maletta, conte di Mineo is the same as Manfredi Maletta. There are clearly common children and no conflicts.

You did not address any of my questions/concerns. I was hoping that by starting a discussion, there could be a collaborative effort to improve this area of the tree. Not a warning not ​to touch it because it is beyond my abilities!

Unless you have a source that shows definitively that Manfredi is the son
of Gugliemo, I go ahead and will make the changes I indicated.

Show your DIY 1950's checkered paper as medieval document to some (C)s first.
Ask them... I'm really sick of fixing mess in Italy! (that then there was someone who spoke a word of Italian!)
do you remember the last mount incest I told you 4 times!?
-https://www.geni.com/discussions/158450?msg=1455330

& time jump: Nino II 4th baron as Nino III 8th baron ?
-https://www.geni.com/discussions/158450?msg=1455332

--> Now show your DIY 1950's checkered paper as medieval document to some (C)s first. <--

following this branch up to "Malta connection" of Polissena Paternò into DIYs online, this is exactly how it looked: the branch from the second wife..

..If it were not for all these dates of birth (/!\all without death/!\) without a source then put at random_-

Livio,

I did not understand your last post. However, I noticed that you added comments to the "about section" for Manfredi which has more detail. Basically my understanding is that you agree that the two branches of the Maletta should be merged together, except that the dates don't match well and you asked me to provide the origins of the dates.

The branch of the Maletta family that I originally entered into Geni (which I previously referred to in this discussion arbitrarily as branch A) was created using SmartCopy from an online family tree. The author of that tree has a habit of entering approximate dates of birth (labeled "circa") when his source material lacks definitive dates.

After I entered Branch A you posted comments asking for me to post the original source documentation. It took time , but I eventually did a few days ago. When posting the original source I did notice that the original source documents did not contain dates of birth (although there are dates associated with feudal titles). I did not change the DOBs I had previously copied, but I acknowledge that they are rough guess-estimates, and should not be used if they conflict with dates from Branch B.

Do you want to go ahead with the merge, or shall I?

as per my notes left -->
..the 1950's Palermo document don't contain any date, which therefore must necessarily come from the automatic import of some wrong online DIY: '''If the user confirms this hypothesis and bleaches the wrong-unfounded-unsourced dates''' ...I would suggest merge:
-Manfredi I Maletta, conte di Mineo same as
-Manfredi I Maletta, conte di Mineo

..& his 2nd wife:
-Giovanna Giacoma Maletta, signora di Paternò same as

-Giovanna Giacoma Maletta, signora di Paternò
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..so if you confirm that the dates come from one of the usual known bungling DIY users.. remove the unsourced dates and do the 2 merge indicated above: it does not mess with MedLands or with Treccani or even with genmarenostrum boards..

OK well, now if you want to do a personal favor to me, you, who reads & who will pass even when me, than you, we will no longer be there:

Go on your JPG loaded as document:
-https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&amp;id=6000...

at the bottom there are some fields to fill in:
copy and paste what you wrote above and in some profiles in the description.

with particular attention to detail:
date: 1950
location: Palermo, Sicily, Italy

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