PRIVATE versus PUBLIC manifesto

Geni has to comply with European GDPR laws or risk being unable to operate in Europe

It is the other way to what Dimitri Gazan suggest: any death person can be public even if born (not died, as Dimitri suggests) less than 150/125 years ago. Any living or possibly living person must be private, except if they personally waive this right (on Geni, only managers/users can do this for themselves).

I think you are right Private User. As long as the person has died it ought to be public with the exeption mentioned indeed.

However I keep struggling with the bit; ..Any living or POSSIBLY living person..
hence my comment in the second paragraph of the manifesto

I know what Geni has to complie to, Jason Scott Wills, and this is an uphill battle one can most likely never win lol but it is always a good thing to look for alternative ways of approaching the GDPR. It's like history that will always rewrites itself with new points of view.

Dimitri Gazan your example makes no sense:

"If someone is born let's say 6 years ago and there is no date of death known it is still not accurate to assume someone is still alive. Therefore my suggestion would be that this profile should automatically be set to public until proven this person actually has past away."

Human being's default mode is living.
Currently any profile with no death date in the past 100 years is assumed to be alive because it protects everyone who is living, your suggestion would expose the data of every living profile on Geni.

I know what IS the way Geni handles the profiles ;). The concept of a manifesto always focuses on the future. What COULD be changed if people are capable of seeying things differently that the current maintained standard

..THAN the current maintained standard..

Think which does the most damage --- if information about you which you want kept private is made public -- that revelation cannot be undone by later changing the profile to Private. Once a secret has been told -- you cannot change it to untold.

So of course Private should be the default.

That is frustrating indeed, Private User. Never the less there are other circumstances imaginable where the owner of a profile wants to protect his/her information based on a personal grounds. Then there is a question to be raised how collaborative that is. If you are keen on protecting your data there are more suitable platforms other than Geni to do so, I'd say.

This discussion is so only about privacy, while the motives of some users for making profiles PRIVATE are determined by an attitude that excludes collaboration, an attitude that wants to prevent others from participating! Even profiles from before 1850 are protected in this way. And GENI allows them to do so, according to a response I received from a curator to my request to make such a profile PUBLIC. They do want to use profiles / data that others have posted, but they do not allow others to continue with it.
This is really wrong and must be stopped by GENI.

Sometimes i make a Profile Private, if i am not sure if its correct, OR if i am still working on it ., and then if i am happy with it, i make it Public, (but sometimes i do forget )not to exclude any one .

In that case you will always react whenever someone asks you to make it PUBLIC. And that's the difference I think.
For some the reasen can aslo be they see the profile as their property, which is wrong!. When the information about a person is to be found on the internet (WieWasWie / Delpher) a profile can be made PUBLIC and is never the property of a familymember

Do I understand correctly -- you want lots and lots of doxxing happening on Geni??

Let's keep the discussion descent in respect of eachothers opinion, please. This subject is important enough to let everybody speak up with the best intensions to share thoughts on how the things the way they are here on Geni and how they COULD be in light of suggesting improvements of the collaborative spirit we ALL share.

thank you

excuses for the poor English ):