Mary Marie Brashear (Richford) - Consistency Check:

I'm afraid that these records are the result of a merge into my listings. Perhaps we can all work together to figure out what should be changed step by step.

Hello Cynthia,

The spellings of Brashear, with and without a final letter, "s", Brasseur and the inclusion of Benois has appeared as confusing insofar as the recordation of the French surname is concerned. However, I have been mostly reliant on documentation that is provided from the LDS Family Search account that has assisted me with other related family surnames. Before continuing, it would be helpful if your alliteration of succession were accompanied with both dates and places for Benjamin Benois Brashear/Brasseur before I can respond authoritatively with existing records provided by LDS (Latter Day Saints or the Mormon Church Records).

I would start with Mary Brashear since she is given as a daughter of Benois Benjamin Brasseur (1620-1663, born in Pernes-les-Fontaines, Vaucluse, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur, France, died in Calvert, Maryland, British Colonial America). Her birth date is given to be 1648, born in Calvert, Maryland, British Colonial America and her date of death was given to be 2 September 1713, in Prince George's, Maryland, British Colonial America. Her LDS Alfa-numerical ID is LRBT-DN1.

There was also a second daughter, named Mary Ann Brasseur, 1660-1702, but I haven't been able to locate Mary Marie Brashear in the LDS records. With regards to Margaret Brasseur, she is not listed as a daughter of Benois Benjamine Brasseur and Robert Brasseur is given as Robert Brasseur III, 27 August 1646-17 May 1712, son of Benois Benjamine Brasseur and Mary-------(1621-1668). Although reportedly given as a Richford, I haven't had time to further my research of Mary Marie Brashear (Richard) and the aforementioned Mary (without an identifiable surname and confirmation of source(s) may not be the same as indicated by you.

So what is needed are dates, places and names of spouses to begin sorting out this interesting issue. By the way, my wife's father's lineage also includes the Smith, Moore, McClain, Moncrief and Brashear lineages and in this given genealogical order, from the current surname of Smith to the older Brashear surname . It seems that these various generations moved from Virginia and Maryland, down southward into Georgia, Louisiana, westward into Alabama, Arkansas and into Oklahoma, the birthplace of her parents before 1907, the date of Oklahoma's statehood.

Your additional information is welcomed and together, we'll be able better able to straighten out the lineage of the Brashear/Brasseur/Brashears or whatever the proper spelling shall be rendered.

Thanks

Spelling is no big deal ( ask Shakespeare).

Spelling of surnames can be problematic when comparing records established by various administrative and church locals in both Germanic states and French provinces prior to unifications for both during a period from the French Revolution to the German unification by Bismarck in 1870.

Private User which is another reason WHY it is so important to look at the records rather than the indexes

Consistency Check:

Benjamin Brashear born after his marriage date.

Mary Marie Brashear is under 12 years old for the birth of her child Benjamin Benois Brashears.

Margaret Brasseur born before the birth of her father Benjamin Brashear.

Benjamin Brashear is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Robert Brashears.

Robert Brasseur born before the birth of his father Benjamin Brashear.

John Brashears born before the birth of his father Benjamin Brashear.

Martha Brashear born before the birth of her father Benjamin Brashear.

Mary Brasseur born before the birth of her father Benjamin Brashear.

Benjamin Brashear is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Benjamin Brashears, Jr..

Benjamin Brashear is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Robert Brashears, II.

Benjamin Brashear is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Benjamin Brasseur.

Benjamin Brashear is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Anne Brasseur.

Benjamin Brashear is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Thaddeus Brasseur.

Benjamin Brashear is under 12 years old for the birth of his child Mary Ellis.

Benjamin Benois Brashears born before the birth of his father Benjamin Brashear.

Mary Marie Brashear

And her father has too many parents:
Benjamin Brashear

Hi Cynthia,

I've had a busy weekend with other matters. However, I totally agree with you and when time permits, will go to my Family Search (LDS) account to review the given sources that they have. It is necessary that the given sources be relied upon rather then anyone's assumptions of time, date and parentage lineage. It is best to begin with known sources before "climbing up the ladder" of one's lineage.
I will review my wife's sources that connect her with the first maternal Brasseur relation that is on her father's lineage.

Thanks for what you have provided in terms of the apparent inconsistencies in the dates of births of the listed Brashear/Brasseur relations.

Thank you Private User

Good Morning, Cynthia,
I checked my wife's Brassier/Brasseur lineage and the oldest, confirmed and given sources indicate that she is related to Antoine de Brassieur Capet (1289-1346 GWYN-B2B, LDS source). Antoine was related to the Capet lineage of the Franks and the King of France was a Capetian member of that family. However and to get to the lineage issues you are concerned with, lets pick about six male members of the Brassieur genealogy and forward to me their full names, the dates of birth and death, where they were born and died, their marriage dates and to whom they were married to. To avoid duplication of errors, I would concentrate on a period between 1700 and 1900. Given this list of male household members and the requested dates, names, locations and relevant female information, I will turn to the latest of the list and find the individual on the LDS web site and start constructing a pedigree ladder. It is likely that your relatives are also members of my wife's father's lineage and once confirmed, it can be forwarded to you for your use.

Eventually, corrections to your lineage issues on Geni can be recorded and I will also assist you in that endeavor.

Take care and thanks,
Roy E. Atherton, PhD

Good Morning, Cynthia,

To further assist you with regards to the Brashear (Brasseur) family, the following information is available for you and others regarding the Benois (Benjamin) Brasseur family. As added information, the given name, Benjamin, is the English transliteration of Benois and either is often given separately or collectively as one or two given names with the surname of Brashear or Brasseur. This information comes from The Brashear-Brashears Family, 1449-1929 (ed. 1929); A Brashear(s) Family History, Vol. 1; and The Robert Brasseur Family, www.Next1000.com/Family/EC/brassieur,robt.1, RecordSeek.com.

Benjamin (Benois) Brashear/Brasseur (b. 1620, Pernes-les-Fontaines, Vaucluse, Provence-Alpes-Cote-d-Azur, France, d. 25 May 1663, Calvert, Maryland, British American Colonies) married Mary Richford (b. 1630, England, d.1685, Calvert County, Maryland) who wrote a will on 25 May 1663, assumed to follow the death of Benjamin, naming her three sons and five daughters, all of whom were under aged at the time.

Two months later, she had written a prenuptial contract with Thomas Sterling, whom she had planned to marry, her second marriage, that relinquished all claims he might have on any part of her estate she had willed to her children.

The subject children were
1, Robert Brashear, (abt. 1646-1712) (described as under 21 years of age in 1663);
2, Benjamin Brashear, (1646-1675), (described as under 21 years of age in 1663);
3, John Brashear, (abt. 1652-1696), (described as under 21 years of age in 1663;
4. Mary (Ann) Brashear, (abt. 1660-1702), (described as under 16 years in 1663);
5. Ann(e) Brashear, (1653-abt. 1730), (described as under 16 years in 1663);
6. Susannah Brashear, (1650-1692), (described as under 16 years in 1663);
7. Martha Brashear, (3 January 1645-1688), (described as under 16 years in 1663);
8. Elizabeth Brashear, (1654-17 January 1729), (described as under 16 years in 1663).

In the examined sources, the surname has been spelled Brasher, Brashear(s), Boshears, Brashier, Brasier, Brazier, Basher, Bashier and even Bradshaw. The original surname is thought to have come from the French word, "Bras", meaning arm or a portion of the body and "seuir" which had the French meaning of Lord or Knight.

Most Brashers and variants of the name come from Benois' sons, Robert, Benjamin and John. However, there appears to be another branch that entered the American Colonies through the New England area. The surname, Brashear, is found in the genealogical literature of many French Huguenots that were settled in the Northern Flemish regions of France and Belgium.

The Brasseur/Brashear family were dissidents against the Roman Catholic Church and similar to the Bickner/Buckner (English/German) family that is in my own maternal lineage, and sought refuge from religious prosecution before the French Revolution and which was ongoing during the rein of King George I, prior to the American Revolutionary War.

Two months after her will, written to protect her children with Benois Brasseur, Mary filed the prenuptial contract with Thomas Sterling before their marriage - the second marriage for Mary Richford-Brasseur-Sterling.

Finally, I did examine general lineage of the Brasseur Genealogy and discovered that there are additional surnames for Mary Sterling with "(Brown)" listed. I don't know where the surname, Brown, came from, but cannot make any adjustments since the site has been listed as "private" and am prevented from adjusting the site to conform with LDS sources.

Second, Mary "Marie" Brashear (Sterling) is given as the mother of Robert Brashear and us also listed as Mary Sterling (Browne). This is an inconsistency that needs to be corrected by whomever created it.

The same "private" condition is also true for both Benois "Bennet" Brasseur and Robert Brashears.

Thirdly, there are listed three (3) siblings for the marriage of Robert Brashear and Elizabeth Fowke (1650-1685) and none between Robert and Alice Spriggs (1646-1720) and further research is necessary to be sure all siblings have been recorded. And, there is also a Mary Brashears with a maiden name of Waring. Who is she and are we to assume that she is a third partner of Roberts?

However, there are thirty (30) siblings, as opposed to only eight (8) derived from the above given will of 1663, listed for Robert Brashear! I had no idea that Mary "Marie" Brasseur birthed that many children for Benjamine (Benois) Brashear (Brasseur)! Further examination is necessary to clearly conform this listing with her will of 1663.

The aforementioned information should be sufficient for you and whatever time you might have to continue your inquiries. In the meantime and when time is available, can you relate to me who it is that has blocked access to any further changes that have been pointed out?

Thanks,
Roy E. Atherton

Hello, Cynthia,

For some unknown reason, I've been blocked, through a filing of 'private restrictions' to advance and add my findings for the Brasher/Brasseur/Brassieur family lineage that extends further back beyond Samuel Brasher, Sr. His birth/death is recorded to be 1673-1740. I now have, in excess of fourteen generations, the names and dates of both the male members of the family surname, the marriage dates and their spouses that extends to both the Valois and Capetian royal families of medieval France; i.e., from 1646 back to 1270.

This family lineage is also connected to Charles I, King of France which was during the early portion of the Plantagenet Kings of England and during the time when both the 30-year war and the Wars of the Roses occurred.

If you know of the persons who have locked out the addition of additional family lineage, beyond Samuel Brasher, Sr., please let them know that I can expand the family lineage if so desired. Otherwise, it remains as shown. My sources come from LDS Family Research on my research account and I can be of serve to those who manage this account. It is important only because of my wife's lineage to the French and English Courts from the time of the Norman invasion by William in 1066.

Thanks,
Roy E. Atherton, PhD

???
Is there a curator who can discern what/why Mr Private User is experiencing these difficulties?
Thank you

Just a general answer since he did not post any examples: Geni is a site for collaboration and he have only one collaborator, so his access to Geni profiles outside his family group other than the ones he have created himself is very limited, even if public profiles.

Being a Pro user helps a lot, especially for searches, but collaboration, where you give each other full access to add to and make correction to public profiles managed by each other is best. You find an invite to collaboration in the Actions menu on the manager profiles.