"Master" ll Bate, of Lydd - We're SERIOUSLY making THAT joke on this name?

Started by Private User on Thursday, December 3, 2020
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12/3/2020 at 4:26 PM

I find it juvenile and repugnant

12/3/2020 at 5:30 PM

I don’t think it means what you’re thinking. Except the locations are wrong, of course.


From https://cooldesign.medium.com/roots-ac49c43a69c3

In the middle ages, upward mobility was non-existent so it is fair to assume, not having been listed in the Domesday Book, that my family was not among landed gentry, but my 19th great-grandfather, born in 1270, is listed as being a “Senior Master” or one of the King’s Court judges, during the reigns of Edward I and Edward II. In those times “s” was added to a surname to signify the son of a patriarch, so Bate became Bates with the judge’s son, also a judge, and thereafter.

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12/3/2020 at 5:57 PM

https://books.google.ca/books?id=x2LJCgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT30&pg=P... Takes the Bate line of Lydd back one more generation (born c 1245) but again doesn’t know the forename?

12/3/2020 at 5:59 PM

https://www.innertemplelibrary.org.uk/collections/manuscript-collec...

Anne Brannen do you have resources to suggest for tracking justices of the Kings Bench?

12/3/2020 at 6:02 PM

Apparently “Thank God, England” is a valid genealogical place.

(Joking, but it’s here - https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/21006694/700-years-of-bates-...)

12/3/2020 at 6:05 PM

“ Cuddnyd Rsits, England” sounds vaguely Welsh. But google doesn’t know it.

12/3/2020 at 8:35 PM

I don!t have a magic Justices of the King’s Bench finder, alas. I found a list of Justices in Kent, but it was too late by I think about a century. Also alas.

Cuddnyd is Welsh, and means “hidden,” or some variation of that, though what it’s doing in Kent I cannot say, but Rsits is not a word in any language used in the British Isles, and if it’s an abbreviation for something I have no idea what it is.

12/3/2020 at 8:57 PM

1217: The first professional judge
Martin de Pateshull, Archdeacon of Norfolk and Dean of St Paul’s, becomes a Justice of the bench in 1217; he is the first professional judge. Like Martin, many judges of this era are members of the clergy, for at a time when the church is rich and the King poor, joining the clergy is often seen as a sensible means of support. The first professional judges are appointed from the order of serjents-at- law, (a barrister of the highest rank), who practice as advocates (lawyers) in the Court of Common Pleas - (one of the main English courts for over 600 years).

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/international-v...

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