Eunice (Avery) Forsyth - Death location and date

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Private User
11/19/2020 at 5:02 PM

Do we have a source for the location and date of Eunice's death? There seems to be some disagreement between various genealogy sites on this. Some are saying she died in Stamford, Niagara Falls, Ontario, on May 2 1793. This would be more in line with her association with James' life story. However, it does seem that her parents were in Nova Scotia after her birth, her father dying there when she was only 6, and her mother remarrying and dying there at an older age. Did the family return to the US before the Revolutionary War, and then go back to Canada, parents to NS, Eunice with her husband to Niagara Falls? The date difference is very large.

Private User
11/19/2020 at 5:23 PM

Upon further investigation, I've found that some people have, associated with her profile, a photo of a gravestone belonging to someone named Eunice Morgan who died May 2 1793 - no indication of its location. Is this where the May 2 1793 date came from? Who is Eunice Morgan and how did they get the names so mixed up? Surprisingly it appeared on a profile where they clearly state she died in Feb of 1819!

Private User
11/21/2020 at 4:43 PM

Update:
There were a lot of people named Eunice in the Avery clan, so it is no surprise that some dates have been mixed up. A recent article (https://www.niagarathisweek.com/opinion-story/9814178-buchner-famil...) reveals that Eunice Avery was alive and with James in Niagara Falls in 1799. Ancestry.com gives her death date as I've entered it. https://www.ancestry.com/genealogy/records/eunice-avery-24-1twm129.

It also appears that there may have been more than one Mary Forsyth married to more than one John Bishop although the dates in the source I looked at don't make a lot of sense.

It looks like Ichabod Avery probably died in CT, not in Nova Scotia. Mary and John may indeed have been in Nova Scotia, but not Eunice.

In the book The Groton Avery Clan volume I, the entries for Eunice and some others are missing. She is shown as a daughter of Ichabod and Mary, on p. 166, and given the reference #291. But where she should appear after p. 254, the entries skip from #284 to #292. So there is no further information about her there.

1/23/2021 at 6:42 AM

I am also trying to track down a Eunice Avery of Groton, CT. My Eunice Avery married Caleb Beebe, Jr. of East Haddam, CT in 1761. She died in 1829 and is buried in Salem, CT (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143164495/eunice-beebe). I believe this Eunice to be the daughter of Ichabod and Mary (Forsyth) Avery. The only proof is that, apparently, Caleb and Eunice Beebe named one of their sons, Ichabod Avery Beebe. Ichabod was born abt. 1765. I believe it was common for families to name younger sons after the deceased father of the mother. Other than the Ichabod name connection, I have no proof that my Eunice is Ichabod's daughter.

The other Eunice Avery of Groton who is contemporary to my Eunice was the daughter of Christopher and Eunice (Prentice) Avery. She married George Avery, the marriage of whom is well documented. Some online genealogies have Ichabod's daughter marrying a Forsyth and going to Canada. This is possible, but the sources I find do not add up. As stated, Eunice was a popular name of the Averys leading to confusion.

I cannot find a reliable birth record for this Eunice Avery, but I find it given as 1743 and 1745. Does anyone have a source for this Eunice's birth/death?

Private User
1/29/2021 at 5:31 PM

You make some valid points. It got me thinking, how do we even know for sure that the Eunice who married James Forsyth(e) had the maiden name Avery? What is the source for that? I haven't seen it.
Also, if it was her, it would mean she married her first cousin, since her mother was a sister to James' father James (both of them were children of James Forsyth (Sr.) and Hannah Lester).

Private User
1/31/2021 at 4:41 PM

Bob, someone at least is corroborating your claim here. Now, I wonder who the Eunice Forsyth that it seems everyone else (I have looked!) is in agreement was an Avery and is Ichabod and Mary's daughter, really is.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204611217/mary-bishop

2/5/2021 at 5:21 AM

Hi Lianne, Yes. I believe the information in the Mary (Forsyth) Avery Bishop Find A Grave link that you shared is correct. However, I do not think that Ichabod and Mary had another daughter named Mary (who married Henry Pelton). I am not 100 percent sure of that.

Regarding a tenuous proof that Eunice Avery Beebe (my Eunice) is the daughter of Ichabod and Mary Forsyth Avery is in the Will of Ichabod’s father, Edward Avery (paraphrased in The Groton Avery Clan, Cleveland, 1912. Page 120 &121). Upon Edward’s death, he instructs his son, Theohilus to pay to Eunice 30 pounds on her 18th birthday. Eunice’s mother Mary (Forsyth) Avery married John Bishop in 1751. If this is my Eunice she would have been approx. 11 or 12 years old at the time of the marriage. From the bio in the Find A Grave, Mary and John Bishop had 3 children born in New London, CT. Eunice could have easily reached 18 years old by the time Mary and John left CT for Nova Scotia. My Eunice married Caleb Beebe, Jr. in 1761 making her about 21 years old when married.

I wonder if there is a possibility that Eunice’s legacy was an inheritance from her deceased father. I do not know the value of 30 pounds in the mid-1700s, but it could have been considered substantial. Did the Averys have an interest in keeping Eunice at home in Groton? If Ichabod and Mary’s daughter is my Eunice, why didn’t she go to Nova Scotia with her mother and step-father? Unless, perhaps she already had an interest in Caleb Beebe, Jr. of East Haddam? Or perhaps, when she reached 18, she had money to sustain herself, and or, her uncles had an interest in her inheritance?

Most of my thinking is speculation. But I do know that the Wiki-Tree profile of a Eunice (Avery) Forsyth is incorrect in that the Find A Grave entry cited as her death clearly points to this Eunice being the wife of Caleb Forsyth. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Avery-440

To answer your question, (LOL. Finally getting around to it), I do not know who decided that the Eunice who married James Forsyth is Eunice Avery. First cousins marrying was not unusual, I have a pair in my tree. Maybe there is a source for Eunice (Avery) Forsyth that I don’t know about. I have researched Eunice quite a bit and I am going to keep looking.

Thanks for your input.

Private User
2/22/2021 at 3:52 PM

Hi Bob, I think much of what you say is correct. I wish I knew why somebody decided Eunice was an Avery. I know it wouldn't be that unusual for 1st cousins to marry at the time, but there is just no reason to think this was the case here. All of the primary sources I've seen either don't specify her maiden name or actually say it is unknown by them. Maybe somebody had an old family Bible? I went through every single Eunice (on 85 different pages!) in the Groton Avery Clan book and none of them work for being James Forsyth's wife.

3/29/2021 at 12:31 PM

I did some more asking around and a very kind fellow genealogist sent me this me this link: http://www.beebehistory.co.uk/alanhenry/Alan_Beebes.pdf

This is a link to Dr. Alan Henry's research on the Beebe family, who I am descended from. On page 83, he writes in regards to Caleb Beebe, Jr:

He married Eunice Avery, 21 Jan 1761 in East Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut, 8 b. 19 Dec 1739 in Preston, New London, Connecticut,35 d. 2 Feb 1829 in Salem, New London, Connecticut,31 buried Wesley Brown Ce in Salem, New London, Connecticut.31 Eunice: Daughter of Ichabod and Mary (Forsythe) Avery. She died age 89.

I believe Dr. Alan was a lifelong genealogist and this link is to a 3201 page Beebe genealogy. He clearly put much work into research. However, he only asserts that Eunice was the daughter of Ichabod and Mary. I see no source. In any case, his work bolsters the proposition that my Eunice is Ichabod and Mary's daughter.

I haven't looked into it, but is this James Forsyth the brother of Mary (Forsyth) Avery Bishop? That is, Eunice's mother? Could this be where some of the confusion comes from?

Private User
4/12/2021 at 5:16 PM

This James is the son of the brother of Mary, your Eunice's mother. i.e. Our James and your Eunice were first cousins. James' father's name was James also, and so was their grandfather's. It is quite possible that is where some of the confusion comes from. I do know he was married to a Eunice, and maybe it was a Eunice Avery, but not the one who was the daughter of Ichabod and Mary, and not any of the others in the Groton Avery Clan book. I think your information is correct.

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