Ada de Stokes (de Balliol) - incorrect mother?

Started by dale scott on Tuesday, November 3, 2020
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11/3/2020 at 11:03 AM

Both citations give her mother as Cecily de Fontaine, but her profile gives her mother as Agnes Pincheni.

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11/3/2020 at 11:41 AM

??

11/3/2020 at 12:44 PM

This looks useful

https://archive.org/details/historyofnorthum06nort/page/72/

Long article. Says Agnes was Hugh's grandmother.

11/3/2020 at 1:52 PM

In fact Ada's father Hugh is also this one

Hugh de Balliol, of Bywell & Barnard Castle

11/6/2020 at 1:05 AM

Evidently the chart wasn't entirely right. There's later work, which I haven't seen.

Fixed a couple of things. Had to leave things that were locked.

11/6/2020 at 4:46 AM

We're told that Bernard II left no kids, or siblings even, and his English estates were inherited by his French cousin Eustace, who came to England and remarried.

There's massive internet confusion over the wives of Eustace.

Hodgson says the second wife was the widow of Robert fitz Piers, citing the Pipe Roll for 2 Ric I (1190-91), which I can't see online. Which tells us very little.

But Eustace's heir Hugh was in arms in 1201, so clearly the son of the first wife. I'd imagine she was French and Hugh was raised in France.

4/30/2023 at 8:55 PM

I’m moving over the children of Eustace de Baliol to Ada de Fontaines

It seems unlikely that Perronell ‘Petronella’ could have been their mother, chronologically.

The profiles affected:

Hugh de Balliol, of Bywell & Barnard Castle

Bernard de Baliol

Enguerrand Balliol of Urr

Source: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#EustaceBalliolMAgnes

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