Elizabeth Dudley (Bramshot) - Name Correction?

Started by Debbie Gambrell on Saturday, October 24, 2020
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10/24/2020 at 7:14 PM

Shouldn't her married be Elizabeth (Bramshot) Sutton, Lady Dudley. She married John Sutton who was Baron Dudley. She didn't marry a Dudley.

10/25/2020 at 12:37 AM

She is called “Elizabeth, wife of Sir John Dudley” in the source (British History Online), which tends to extract from legal documents.

10/25/2020 at 2:00 AM

In fact they're probably too generous with the "Sir", because he made his will as John Dudley esquire, and he's called the same in his IPM.

https://archive.org/stream/completepeerageo04coka#page/480/ (page 480 footnote a)

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10241400

He wasn't a Baron - his father was the 1st Baron, and his nephew Edward was the 2nd.

Some of the Suttons did take to calling themselves Dudley, and this branch seem to have used that name exclusively.

It didn't do them any good - when Elizabeth's grandson became Duke of Northumberland, the story was spread that he was a pleb descended from a carpenter.

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10/25/2020 at 7:02 AM

The British-history source in this case is the Victoria County History of Hampshire, vol. 3, ed. William Page (London, 1908), pp. 165-170.

The Victoria County Histories are generally pretty good, but not infallible, and occasionally have been superseded by more recent research.

10/25/2020 at 1:51 PM

Quite an interesting history that I'm glad to know about since they're direct ancestors for me. Thanks for clarifying the confusion on the Dudley / Sutton surnames.

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