Martha "Marritje" Willemsz van der Merwe van Heerden - Alternative Data After Merges

Started by Sharon Doubell on Saturday, October 10, 2020
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10/10/2020 at 1:13 PM

Middle Name Willemsz Schalks

Death Location Dutch Cape Colony, Caep de Goede Hoop, South Africa Tulbagh, Cape Winelands, WC, South Africa

10/11/2020 at 2:06 AM

Her death date and place - Het Boek van Gestorwene (Book of deaths), Land van Waveren - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKD-F3LY?cat=993684 (top of page)

10/16/2020 at 12:31 AM

Death Date 30 December 1784 March 1784

Charlette, I can't for the life of me read dates there? Are you having better luck?

J P Weyers
10/16/2020 at 12:53 AM

This page 1761 to 1765

J P Weyers
10/16/2020 at 1:08 AM

2 Maart 1784 Maartje van der Merwe weduwee Willem van Heerden

middle of image 435

J P Weyers
10/16/2020 at 1:15 AM

So it appears not December 1784 but
2 Maart ANNO 1784

J P Weyers
10/16/2020 at 1:30 AM

Also notice NO ssszzz added to Willem van Heerden in 1784.
Why does everyone get a sz at the end of their names ?
Spot how many have sz added on to their names in this document?

Notice : een kint van Nicolaas Jansen van Rensenburg 26 Maart 1784

10/16/2020 at 2:35 AM

thanks Phillip - will lock that date.

10/16/2020 at 2:47 AM

Removed Willemsz from her name.

Also removing birthdate 29 March 1713 - pending someone providing sources.

J P Weyers
10/16/2020 at 2:54 AM

Glad to see someone has the guts to remove or change inaccurate data here on. GENI

10/16/2020 at 3:16 AM

We do, Phillip - but rely on you guys to help us find them.

Private User
10/16/2020 at 9:30 AM

Hi Sharon
In my opinion it is a mistake to remove the 'Willemsz' as it does not refer to her husband Willem.
The 'sz' was a Dutch extension to denote who the father was. In other words it translates as Martha (Daughterf Willem) van der Merwe. In this instance it refers to Willem van der Merwe the Stamouer ( see https://www.stamouers.com/stamouers/surnames-v-z/523-van-der-merwe-... ). When referring to the Orphan Chamber and VOC records, we often more easily trace the lineage in the Cape via those 'sz'. Linguistically it is correctly recorded.

Private User
10/16/2020 at 9:35 AM

PS...It can also be denoted by 'sd' as language evolved.

10/16/2020 at 9:44 AM

"Machtelt van der Merwe wedw Pieter Willemsz Heerde" died Feb 1765, Tulbagh
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKD-F3LY?cat=993684
d.o. Willem Schalk van der Merwe and Elsje Jacobs Cloete

Martha "Marritje" van der Merwe x Willem Pieter van Heerden
I reckon:-
"Maartje van der Merwe wedw Willem van der Merwe" died 2 Mar 1784, Tulbagh"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKD-F3DS?i=434&am...
d.o. Schalk Willemsz van der Merwe and Anne Prevot/Prevost

10/16/2020 at 9:48 AM

Which Magteld van der Merwe died 5 Dec 1759, Tulbagh - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKD-F3GQ?i=425&am...

10/16/2020 at 9:50 AM

Gail, I removed the Willemsz from her name because it wasn't in the only doc I could find that referred to her.

10/16/2020 at 10:06 AM

The death date you get from this doc is - died Feb 1765?

10/16/2020 at 10:11 AM

so it's the wrong doc for this
Martha van der Merwe bap 14 May 1713
do Schalk van der Merwe & Anne Prévost
x 30 April 1730 Willem van Heerden (so Pieter Willemse van H & Magteld van der Merwe)
*Schalk Wilmse

10/16/2020 at 10:38 AM

so
Martha van der Merwe bap 14 May 1713 - 2 Mar 1784, Tulbagh
do Schalk van der Merwe & Anne Prévost
x 30 April 1730 Willem van Heerden (so Pieter Willemse van H & Magteld van der Merwe)

Magteld Willemsz van der Merwe (c 1691- Feb 1765, Waveren)
do Willem Schalks van der Merwe & Elsje Jacobs Cloeten
x 1708 Stellenbosch, Pieter Willems van Heerden (c1682-1763)

J P Weyers
10/16/2020 at 10:05 PM

What I clearly see by the late 1700's the way people at the Cape wrote their names were changing .
I agree with Sharon : see any original documents and try to keep to that spelling , do not adjust to quickly to an assumed older or newer version. Or what is a personal " it sounds old " choice.

Private User
10/17/2020 at 8:20 AM

I find it curious that Geni takes a different approach to Wikitree. For example the note on this profile explains as follows:
" ↑ Martha will be profile protected with the LNAB being Willemse though this isn't strictly correct given the time frame - patronymically she would have been noted as Schalks[e][dr], not as Willemse (van der Merwe not even being mentioned), however at this time the naming system was already in transition to the more modern system and following WikITree policy we have to note exactly the LNAB as can be read on the baptism".
While I understand the need for documented proof, keeping to the LNAB seems to be a strategy with merit for thos very old records.

10/17/2020 at 11:56 PM

On Geni, we try to remain true to the documentation - this is more historically accurate. Her mother in law is documented as Willemse - and so we're using that on hers.

J P Weyers
10/18/2020 at 12:45 AM

This " Book of the dead of Land van Waveren " a treasure trove of info.

Want to store on my computer each page for future reference.

Rhank you Charlette a great find and great reference source.

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