Bethóc nic Gille Crist, Countess of Angus - Gille Crist

wife of Gille Crist

Lacking evidence that Marjorie of Huntingdon, {Fictional} existed and who she married.

wife of Gille Crist

Wife of Gille Crist Similarly, Cawley does not name a Marjorie or Margaret as the wife of Gille Crist (Gilchrist). Here is what he has to say about this wife: [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#GilchristAn...]

GILCHRIST, son of GILLBRIDE Earl of Angus & his first wife [--- de Dunbar] (-[1207/11]). He succeeded his brother as Earl of Angus. "…Com Gillcrist de Anego et Dunec fil eius…"

The name of Duncan’s wife is not known.

So, it's not clear where the legend of Marjorie, daughter of Henry and Ada, may have started, nor if in fact the wives of Lindsay and Cille Crist were the same person..

Always good to check, and posting where it seems “incorrect” helps everyone.

Gille Críst, Earl of Angus, if he married Marjorie (Maud) of Huntingdon, the youngest daughter of Henry of Scotland (dead 1152) and Ada de Warenne, then she couldn't have married Sir William de Lindsay in his second marriage, and he died ca. 1200, so they, Gille and her, couldn't have been married until after Williams death, (Gille died ca. 1206).
The solution would be that there actually would have been one Marjorie and another sister named Maud, unless it's all just fictional.

I see somebody's been doing merges on the Lindsays.

The "Marjorie" thing starts with the Pinkeney claim to the throne of Scotland. Robert Pinkeney, one of the lesser Competitors, derived his claim through his father Henry's mother, Alicia de Lindsay, stating her to be the daughter of [David de Lindsay and] Marjorie...the wording in the original document leaves it just the slightest bit uncertain if it is talking about one Marjorie or two, mother and daughter. (Chronologically, two is a better fit.)

In any case, the "Marjorie" (or Margareta in formal Latin) from whom Pinkeney ultimately derives his claim is explicitly stated to be the daughter of "Henr patre Regis Willi". This happens to describe, rather precisely, Margaret Countess of Richmond, who *didn't* marry a Lindsay, but who *may have* taken a certain Border lord for her third husband (William FitzPatrick alias de Hertburn, alias de Washington, of Greenlaw, Westmoreland) and had a namesake daughter who *would* have been the right age to marry off to David de Lindsay. Note that this theory makes the Pinkeney claim completely legitimate, but he still didn't have the political clout to back it up.

Any other theories deriving a Margaret/Marjorie from the Dunkeld line have to assume a serious error somewhere, most commonly that "Marjorie" was an extramarital daughter, not of Henry, but of one of his sons (most likely David).

I don't think there's any documentation anywhere as to the wife of Gille Crist of Angus.

How did Gille Christ become associated with this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitors_for_the_Crown_of_Scotland

“Great Cause” family tree

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Cause_Tree.jpg

For the Huntington line there’s an ambiguous inscription in the Brereton family property that caused us much Geni grief some years ago, if I remember right.

Outcome: “ In reality only four of these men had genuine claims to the throne: John Hastings, John Balliol, Robert de Brus and Floris V. Of these only Bruce and Balliol had realistic grounds on which to claim the crown. The rest merely wished to have their claims put on the legal record.”

Lol. We just did a podcast on this. Am sound editing it today.

I just put in an entry over at the Walter Stewart discussion -- https://www.geni.com/discussions/219269?msg=1419340 -- explaining my reasoning; Bethoc was an inherited story' as early as 1904 Balfour Paul, the high herald of Scotland at the time, said that there was no evidence for her existence.

So I don't think she existed.

Erica, in our next episode I explain ALL the contenders for the Great Cause; Michelle said it made her eyes cross, but it's all genealogy all the time.

(It will be the "Robert the Bruce Murders John Comyn" episode.)

Edward I had talked the non-contenders into putting their hats in the ring, in order to cause more trouble.

Edward l totally outsmarted. How come they didn’t see it coming?

Please make the changes as we’re discussing them? My eyes cross ....

One guy refused to play Edward's game: Humphrey (VI) de Bohun, whose claim was derived directly from Margaret Countess of Richmond and Hereford - he was her great-great-grandson. However, he claimed that his office as Hereditary Constable of England presented a major conflict of interest, and opted out of the Competition.

Erica Howton — from here the decision to call in Edward as arbitrator seems astoundingly stupid, especially given that he had recently run over Wales. But. Scots/English relations had been pretty good for a while, Edward was well known for intelligence and legal knowledge, and he would have been Margaret’s father in law if she hadn’t died on the way to Scotland. It backfired enormously. Edward insisted on feudal overlordship if he was going to arbitrate. That was a legal point; any royal judge was overlord of the parties. Then he was the overlord of Scotland. Oh, well. Things got worse.