Dinah Catherine Scearce (Casteel) - There is no "Dinah Catherine Casteel"

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Private User
8/29/2020 at 6:36 PM

This person does not exist. There is a birth record for a "Dinah Casteel" born in 1717 in Maryland, but no evidence that her middle name was "Catherine". Moreover, I have never been able to locate further records of Dinah beyond this birth record, so it's uncertain if she survived past infancy.

I recommend disconnecting this person from this record, as they simply do not exist.

(We do know that the mother of Shadrack Scarce is likely named Catherine due to him be executor of her will. Beyond that, there is no evidence of what Catherine's maiden name was.)

8/29/2020 at 7:22 PM

It seems to me, Private User, that what you mean to say is that you dispute her name and parentage - with which I can go along. As far as I can tell, she appears to have definitely existed as wife of William and mother of at least some of his children.

8/30/2020 at 8:33 AM

Dinah Castel
in the Maryland, Births and Christenings Index, 1662-1911
Name: Dinah Castel
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 Aug 1717
Christening Place: All Hollows Parish, Anne Arundel, Maryland
Father's name: Edw Castel
Mother's name: Mary Amos
FHL Film Number: 13279
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Maryland, Births and Christenings Index, 1662-1911 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.

Original data:

"Maryland Births and Christenings, 1600–1995." Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2009, 2010. Index entries derived from digital copies of original and compiled records.
Description
This database is an index extracted from more than 200,000 birth, baptism, and christening records from Maryland. The FHL film number refers to a microfilm copy of the source held by the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah.

8/30/2020 at 8:37 AM

her father: Edmund Du Castle
in the U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
Name: Edmund Du Castle
Arrival year: 1682
Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Primary Immigrant: Du Castle, Edmund
Source Publication Code: 7204
Annotation: Date and port of arrival or date and place of first mention in the New World. Other genealogical and historical information is also provided.
Source Bibliography: REAMAN, GEORGE ELMORE. The Trail of the Huguenots in Europe, the United States, South Africa and Canada. London: Frederick Muller Ltd., 1963. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1972.
Source Citation
Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Year: 1682; Page Number: 286

Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2010.

Original data: Filby, P. William, ed. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2012.

Description
Updated annually, this database is an index to passengers who arrived in United States and Canadian ports from the 1500s through the 1900s. It contains listings of approximately 4,838,000 individuals and references thousands of different records compiled from everything from original passenger lists to personal diaries. For each individual listed, you may find the following information: name, age, year and place of arrival, and the source of the record

8/30/2020 at 8:47 AM

Family Data Collection - Individual Records
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Name Edmund Casteel Spouse Johanna Hannah Parents Edmund Du Castell, Christian Bonde Birth Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA Birth Date 1695 Marriage Date1 May 1693 Death Place Prob, Prince Georges, MD Death Date 1743
Edmund Casteel
in the Family Data Collection - Individual Records
Name: Edmund Casteel
Spouse: Johanna Hannah
Parents: Edmund Du Castell, Christian Bonde
Birth Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA
Birth Date: 1695
Marriage Date: 1 May 1693
Death Place: Prob, Prince Georges, MD
Death Date: 1743
Source Citation
Birth year: 1695; Birth city: Philadelphia; Birth state: PA

Source Information
Edmund West, comp.. Family Data Collection - Individual Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000.

Description
The Family Data Collection - Individual Records database was created while gathering genealogical data for use in the study of human genetics and disease.

Edmund Du Castle, above was her Grandfather not her father. This should give you something to work with.

8/30/2020 at 8:54 AM

ThruLines™ for Dinah Catherine "Caty" CASTEEL
ThruLines uses Ancestry® trees to suggest that you ( Stephen Wesley Kendall ) may be related to 42 DNA matches through Dinah Catherine "Caty" CASTEEL.

Private User
8/30/2020 at 7:42 PM

John Albert Rigali, if you've found some original records that I haven't been able to find, I'd love to see them!

The ONLY original records I have found are two records for the probate and accounts of a "Catherine Scarce/Scarse", with Shadrack Scarce named as executor, Nathan Scearse named as a "next of kin", and David Scearse named as a creditor. No info or proof of what her maiden name was.

Heck, I haven't even been able to find much verifiable info on William Scarce, save that the name may have been listed on an early tax record. I've seen some debate about whether the father of Shadrack & siblings was actually named William -- that perhaps he was actually named Nathan, due to the eldest son's name as well as a reference to a possible marriage record between a "Nathan Scarce" and an "Elizabeth" of the appropriate ages.

Basically, we need a lot more original records! I would love to hear if you have any that I haven't seen, as these two ancestors have been frustrating me for quite some time!

Private User
8/30/2020 at 7:44 PM

Stephen Wesley Kendall Yep, I've seen the records you posted, and they lay out exactly what I said, i.e. that there's no indication "Dinah Casteel" ever had the name "Catharine" attached to her -- or even any indication of Dinah's life after her birth record.

8/31/2020 at 5:58 AM

Private User, I don't have any records for her. I make many contributions to Geni that are outside the scope of my personal interest; my involvement in that profile is one such contribution.

Here's the point that I'm making: if it has been established that William Scearce was married twice and that his wife who wasn't Elizabeth Scearce was the mother of his children, and "Dinah Catherine Casteel" wasn't that wife and mother, then let's remove any erroneous data from Dinah Catherine Scearce until it properly reflects what is known about that wife and mother rather than making a disconnection.

9/1/2020 at 7:54 AM

William Scearce is the first known member of this family to be on record in America. He was listed as a taxpayer in 1773 of Upper Piscataway Hundred, Prince Georges County, Maryland. It would appear that William died and later records show a widow, Catherine Scearce, and her children. Only 4 sons' names are defineately known: Nathan born about 1741; James born about 1745; David born about 1746; and

Shadrach. Phillip Scearce is another possible son and shows on Revolutionary War payroll of 1767.

Catherine Scearce probably died in 1772 and there are documents related to her estate (1). Son Shadrach was appointed administrator of the estate which was valued in pounds at 2.6.0 and included 1 horse, 1 small steer, 5 hogs, 5 sows, 7 pigs, 2 beds, and apparel, with debts, coffin (10 shillings), rent for 1771 in pounds at 2.6.0; tobacco fees due in pounds - 1.1.9; and certain amounts owed to David Scearce and others.

9/1/2020 at 10:55 AM

Private User, I see that you haven't connected your Scearce ancestry to the Scearce family in the "Big Tree" (which we're discussing here). Do you plan to make that connection?

Private User
9/13/2020 at 12:14 AM

John Albert Rigali You bring up another excellent topic actually, which is William Scearce/Scarce himself. As far as I've been able to tell, hardly anything has actually been established about him -- as in no original records to back up anything.

The closest I've come to finding a possible original record is a claim that he is in a list of taxables for Maryland in 1733. Stephen Wesley Kendall copy-pasted part of a webpage by a family researcher who writes about a "1773" list, but I believe this is a typo. Mainly because she writes that his wife Catherine was a widow when she died in 1772 -- so he wouldn't be alive a year later in 1773. I hope to get my hands on a copy of the 1733 list of taxables at some point to see if William is indeed on it.

Anyway, other than that, I haven't been able to find any actual records which could back up any of the info about this William Scearce/Scarce that has been copy-pasted around the web. No birth or marriage records, no land records, no wills or other probate records, nothing.

Basically, this supposed profile of William Scearce/Scarce has been passed around genealogy websites as if it's legitimate, when there is pretty much nothing to back it up.

This ancestor has been driving me crazy, but I'm determined to find real info about him!

(And no I don't believe I've connected myself to the family tree on this site, I use a couple other sites for that and just check here periodically)

9/13/2020 at 9:42 AM

William Scearce is the first known member of this family to be on record in America. He was listed as a taxpayer in 1773 of Upper Piscataway Hundred, Prince Georges County, Maryland. It would appear that William died and later records show a widow, Catherine Scearce, and her children. Only 4 sons' names are defineately known: Nathan born about 1741; James born about 1745; David born about 1746; and Shadrach. Phillip Scearce is another possible son and shows on Revolutionary War payroll of 1767.

Catherine Scearce probably died in 1772 and there are documents related to her estate (1). Son Shadrach was appointed administrator of the estate which was valued in pounds at 2.6.0 and included 1 horse, 1 small steer, 5 hogs, 5 sows, 7 pigs, 2 beds, and apparel, with debts, coffin (10 shillings), rent for 1771 in pounds at 2.6.0; tobacco fees due in pounds - 1.1.9; and certain amounts owed to David Scearce and others.
I suggest you contact: St. John's Parish, Prince George's, Maryland, United States and do a marriage record search between 1736 and 1740 on William Scarce and Catherine Casteel. In your first post you said " This person does not exist. There is a birth record for a "Dinah Casteel" born in 1717 in Maryland, but no evidence that her middle name was "Catherine" referring to Catherine Casteel. However her will disproves that. Williams son Shadrach was appointed Administrator of the estate as shown above. As for me I think you should spend your free time on other stuff and stop your witch hunt, butg thats just me. .

9/14/2020 at 11:15 AM

Stephen Wesley Kendall, if William was alive in 1773 and Catherine probably died in 1772, then why was she reported to be a widow at the time of her death?

9/14/2020 at 11:17 AM

Private User, I'd like to see a connection between you and William here on Geni. Can you build out the connection, if you have the time?

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