Mary Stephens Crump - SISTER OF MARY STEPHENS - ELIZABETH "BETSY" STEPHENS?

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Private User
7/13/2020 at 9:42 PM

Is the sister of the Mary Stephens, who married John Bushrod Crump Sr, a woman named Elizabeth"Betsy" Stephens who married Daniel Easley?

Elizabeth "Betsy" Stephens
1768–1810
BIRTH 1768 • Virginia,USA
DEATH 1810 • Montgomery,North Carolina,USA

Elizabeth Stephens

Elizabeth Stephens

Daniel Easley
1753–1833
BIRTH 1753 • Henrico, Virginia, United States
DEATH 4 SEP 1833 • Montgomery, North Carolina, USA

Daniel Easley

Daniel Easley

If she is, this is troublesome as Daniel Easley and Elizabeth "Betsy" Stephens had daughters that married Crump males who were the sons of John Bushrod Crump Sr..

Their daughter:
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Elizabeth Betsy Easley
1782–1850
BIRTH 1782 • Charlotte County, Virginia, USA
DEATH 1850 • Staney County, North Carolina, USA

Elizabeth Crump

married:

James Crump
1780–1858
BIRTH 1780 • Anson County, North Carolina, USA
DEATH BEF FEB 1858 • Stanly County, North Carolina, USA

James Crump

James Crump was a son of John Bushrod Crump Sr.

Another daughter:

Sarah "Sallie" (Easley) Crump
1789–1827
BIRTH 1789 • Lunenburg, Lunenburg County, Virginia, USA
DEATH 1827 • Anson County, North Carolina, USA

Sarah Crump

was the first spouse of:

Stephen Crump Sr
1788–1857
BIRTH ABT 1788 • Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA
DEATH 8 OCT 1857 • Norwood, Stanly County, North Carolina, USA

Stephen Crump

This Stephen Crump Sr was also a son of John Bushrod Crump Sr.

7/14/2020 at 1:40 PM

Hi William,

So you are saying that if Mary c1755 is the sister of Betsy 1768 then their children married their first cousin? It's possible. Have you found any sources that show who Mary's and/or Betsy's parents are?

Private User
7/14/2020 at 7:13 PM

Thank you for responding.

It is extremely difficult to document a married woman's maiden name during this period. I am fairly certain it was not Sawyer, although many family trees use it.

Yes, if they are sisters then the Crump boys married their first cousins.

I have been trying to trace how Mary Stephens and John Bushrod Crump Sr. met each other. I am also trying to pin down when John Bushrod Crump Sr. moved to Montgomery County NC as the marriage likely occurred around the time of the move.

One possiblity is that he left Lancaster VA after his mother Hannah Bushrod Crump died 22 FEB 1774

Their first child, John Bushrod Crump Jr. appears to have been born in Montgomery County NC in 1774, but even this is difficult to confirm.

It is possible John Bushrod Crump and Daniel Easley met the Stephens women when they were traveling to North Carolina.

I have seen people make a leap of faith that her father was a revolutionary war soldier Stephen Stephens.

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/2204/images/32596_...

Lots of speculations - no sources.

I am hoping this post generates people with family history stories to fill in the missing information as I have not found any sources.

7/15/2020 at 7:54 PM

How many children have you found for Daniel Easley.and Elizabeth Stephens?

Private User
7/16/2020 at 12:06 PM

I have four children that I am somewhat comfortable putting on my Ancestry.com Family Tree, but there may be more.

I have no documentation on most of these children and no means of connecting them to Daniel Easley so they may not be the children of Daniel Easly and Elizabeth "Betsy" Stephens. It is just an endless chain of unsourced family trees, which I do not believe should be treated as sources. It is a bit maddening - there must be someone who started this chain of connections and I would love to know who it was or more importantly, what sources they used to confirm these people and their connections - it may be a pot of wishful thinking. I have these people marked as actively researching and unverified on my ancestry tree, and I have added disclaimers to them.

I am relying on Crump Researcher Ed Crump who connected these people together some time ago, but I have yet to find how he did it - I have asked - none of his published materials conatin a source document.

I have:

Elizabeth Betsy Easley
1782–1850
BIRTH 1782 • Charlotte County, Virginia, USA
DEATH 1850 • Staney County, North Carolina, USA

She married James Crump, but I do not have any sources for this.

James Crump
1780–1858
BIRTH 1780 • Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA
DEATH BEF FEB 1858 • Stanly County, North Carolina, USA

Next I have:

John S Easley Sr
1784–1849
BIRTH 1784
DEATH 1849

There are 1830 and 1840 Census reports for him in Montgomery County NC on the west side of the Pee Dee River, which is current day Stanly County. People may be using the proximity of him to Daniel to connect him as a son. I have not researched land records to see if this can be confirmed. I also found an 1849 probate in Stanly county that may be him. I have no sources that connect him to Daniel Easley. Some fools have family trees that show him dead in 1849 in Anson County North Carolina and alive in 1850 in Tennessee based on an 1850 Census report, which is obviously not him.

I may be just as bad, I have Virginia marriage records attached to him for Halifax County Virginia for a 23 November 1808 marriage to a Susannah Jones. Based on Daniel Easley's Revolutionary War pension application he moved to Montgomery County around 1799 so that makes it unlikely he had a son still in Halifax County, VA in 1808, although the son would have been 16 or so when Daniel moved so maybe he stayed behind. I do not have a birth record for him so perhaps he was older. The people who say he was born in 1780 are using the 1850 Tennessee Census as support so these are not reliable.

I also have this child:

Nancy Easley Crump
1789–1827
BIRTH 1789 • Lunenburg, Lunenburg County, Virginia, USA
DEATH 12 DEC 1827 • Anson County, North Carolina, USA

She is the daughter I currently have as Stephen Crump Sr.'s spouse, but I have not found any sources for her or any sources for the wife of Stephen Crump Sr. so she is unverified. The first child of Stephen Crump's second wife Delilah Parham was born in 1832, so she must have died before then. Family trees are using this as her date of death, but none have a source for it. There is a blog post that was done by a researcher of the Davis Family. Stephen Crump's third wife, my 2x great gandmother was Eliza Ann Kendall. After the old goat Stephen died - he was maybe 60 when he married the 16 or 17 year old Eliza in February of 1848 - based on multiple Newspaper announcements across North Carolina - Eliza married a William Davis after Stephen Crump died and I have excellent sources for this. Eliza Ann Kendal has been very easy to find sources and to confirm as are Stephen Crump's children.

You can access the well referenced blog here - it is definitely worth a read:

http://www.jobschildren.com/2015/05/sallies-legacy-family-of-sarah-...

Also, Crump Researcher Ed Crump has her as James spouse with no sources.

Stephen Crump Sr
1788–1857
BIRTH ABT 1788 • Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA
DEATH 8 OCT 1857 • Norwood, Stanly County, North Carolina, USA

I have at times had her sister below as Stephen Crump Sr.'s spouse, again I have not found any sources for either woman.

Sarah Sallie Easley
1790–1826
BIRTH 1790 • Virginia, USA
DEATH 1826 • North Carolina, USA

I am uncertain whether it was Nancy or Sarah Sallie that married Stephen Crump.

I have also seen family trees with a son Warham Easley.

Warham Easley
1786–1859
BIRTH 1786 • Virginia, USA
DEATH 13 MAY 1859 • Sumter, Alabama, United States

There is an 1860 Census for him on these Family Trees in Tennessee that has him born in Virginia and 74 years old, but there is no source that confirms him as a child of anyone. Since they also report that he died in Alabama in 1859 I have not connected him, but I may add him without these sources or with them, but with explanations that they are to be disregarded and with disclaimers that he is unverified.

Let me know what you think.

I have also found a book on the Easley Family that reports on Daniel Easley. I will add this to the original discussion once I have a chance to check it out. It appears to confirm the idea of first cousin marriages, but it does not have any sources.

7/16/2020 at 1:50 PM

I'm really liking the blog! Well written!

7/16/2020 at 1:55 PM

I left Warham with Daniel and Elizabeth (Stephens) Easley for now. But if Warham Easley is found not to be Daniels father, that might look less likely.

I was uncertain about Nancy, too.

7/16/2020 at 2:02 PM

It sounds like you came to a lot of the same conclusions that I did.

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