Richard Osborne, I, of Ashford - Seperating the Osborn/e families by where they come from

I’ll go backwards from the emigrants to America. Immediately there’s a problem.

Thomas Osborne, of East Hampton

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Osborne-335

Thomas Osborne was probably born in "say" 1595 at Ashford, Kent, England.[1] His cousin was baptized April 4, 1595. This Thomas Osborne was probably the son of Jeremy Osborne and his first wife, Joan Wybourne.[1]

There were two Thomas Osbornes, about the same age, who were cousins, in the Parish of Ashford.[1] We have no proof which was the immigrant to Connecticut, but Donald Lines Jacobus studied the family in England, using parish records and wills.[1] He concluded that the immigrant was probably the son of Jeremy Osborne, because the second son of the immigrant was named Jeremy (for his father) and the third was named Richard (for his brother) and John (perhaps for his uncle).[1] It is less likely that he was the son of John Osborne, as his fourth son was named John.

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What is the evidence the eminent American genealogist Donald Lines Jacobus reached an erroneous conclusion?

This is the article:

24. “Ancestry of Thomas Osborne of New Haven, CT. To East Hampton, Long Island,” Jacobus, Donald Lines, The American Genealogist, Vol. 12 (XII) 1935-36 Pages 248-255, Page 249 Extracts From the Transcripts of the Parish Registers of Ashford, Kent. In the Diocesan Registry at Canterbury.

Some discussion of people mentioned in the first post can be seen here:

The Virginia Magazine of History & Biography, Vol 12

https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/b/bb/Osborne-2620.jpg

(William Glover Stanard was an excellent editor and genealogist for Virginia families, but his work is not as meticulous as the later DL Jacobus, who was also working with better record sets).

Erica the proof is that they boarded the ship "The Hector" for America. Look for the ship records! Thomas Osborne, his wife Mary Goatley- Osborne, 5 of their sons, THomas Jr., Jeremiah (Jeremy), Joseph, John, Stephen. The rest of their children were born in America, Increase, Rebecca, and Benjamin. The son Richard died in Ashford, Kent, England when he was about 6 months old. 1st stop was Mass. where he purchased land, then New Haven, Conn., then migrated to New Hampshire, Long Island, New York. There they stayed for 6 generations as tanners.

About your article dated 6/18/2020. Thomas Osborne the immigrant married to Mary Goatley. His father's name is definitely Jeremy (Hieremy) Jeremiah Osborne b. 1570 in Ashford, Kent, England. I do not know how the English decide to name the children and the order, however Donald Lines Jacobus was 100% correct about the father's name!

About your article dated 6/18/2020. Thomas Osborne the immigrant married to Mary Goatley. His father's name is definitely Jeremy (Hieremy) Jeremiah Osborne b. 1570 in Ashford, Kent, England. I do not know how the English decide to name the children and the order, however Donald Lines Jacobus was 100% correct about the father's name!

From https://www.geni.com/discussions/214550?msg=1396748

“.... The last son of Richard Osborne II and Jane Broughton is Thomas Osborne that married Wilmeth Mellis/Mellows. They had a son Thomas Osborne b. 1594/5 that married Mary Goatley.“

But in msg https://www.geni.com/discussions/214550?msg=1414942 you agree with Jacobus (and the Geni tree) that Thomas b 1594/5 was the son of Jeremy Osborne (son of Thomas).

In other words, it looks like the earlier source skipped the Jeremy generation.

Richard I and Elizabeth Flydane/Flydene (possibly the name was misread by genealogist because of the hand writing.
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Richard Osborne II born 1510 married Jane Broughton 1510-1570
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Sir Thomas RIchard Osborne 1541/42-1611 married Wilmeth Mellis/Mellows
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Thomas Osborne 1594/5 m. Mary Goatley (from Ashford, Kent, England)
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Children:
Thomas Jr., Jeremish (Jeremy), Richard (died at 6 months old) , Joseph, John b. 1631, Stephen b. 1634, Rebecca, Increase, Benjamin.

In the last two sentences (The Jeremiah (Jeremy that is mentioned) is from the bible records and I am in contact with this paticular cousin who's father is a genealogist. They have the origional bible, family Coat of Arms, and insignia ring. His father had his Doctorate degree in this field.

THE CHART: that I displayed is the descending chart of this family. It is very clear! Professional, no ametures have each verified this chart! If you deviate from the chart then you will go on a wild goose chase. The choice is yours!

The full VMHB piece is here

[https://www.jstor.org/stable/4242671?seq=3 ''VMHB'' 12, #2, October 1904, page 201, Offley Family]

No new research, just lifted from the sources.

The ''Genealogist" article is about the Offleys. The Osborne marriage is here

[https://archive.org/stream/genealogist01unkngoog#page/n242/ ''The Genealogist'', New Series, 9 (1903) #4, page 334].

The chart pedigree cited will be Foster's

[https://archive.org/stream/pedigreesofcount03fost#page/n257 ''Pedigrees of County Families of Yorkshire'', Vol 3, Osborne]

Foster was a massive collector, but didn't do original research. He got the top two lines from Brydges's Collins's Peerage (1812)

[https://books.google.com/books?id=-vI6AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA253 Vol 1, page 253, Duke of Leeds].

Brydges got it straight from Collins

[https://books.google.com/books?id=yZhcAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA249 3rd edn 1756 Vol 1 Part 1 page 249]

Collins was in no position to do research, because records weren't accessible then. He used Dugdale's Baronage and wrote letters to families, that's all.

So a whole cageful of parrots.

First problem is to find a Broughton in Westmorland.

So square brackets don't work in discussions. The links with & in may or may not work like that.

First person to actually look at this seems to be Chester Waters

https://archive.org/stream/genealogicalmem01wategoog#page/n262/ ''Chesters of Chicheley'', Vol 1 page 225

He decides this is Broughton in Bridekirk parish, near Cockermouth, in Cumberland.

Muddies the water a bit with the chart on page 237, where he says near Penrith. But there doesn't seem to be a Broughton there. Perhaps he was thinking of Brougham.

You need to look at a MAP from that day and time period! You also need to know that there are 3 places around that time period that they call Broughton.