Elyn Done - Which John Done was her father?

A little less purple prose.

Border Counties Worthies” By Enoch Robert Gibbon Salisbury. Page 200. GoogleBooks

MIDDLETON, Roger, founder of a very distinguished family of his name at Gwaenynog, in Denbighshire, was born at Chester, and was the eldest son of David Middleton, receiver of Denbigh (in the reign of Edward IV.), by Elyn, daughter of Sir John Done, of Utkintou, Cheshire. There is a remarkable story related by Mr. Pennant, in relation to this couple. David Middleton had fallen in love with Elyn Done, but her father gave her away to Richard Done, his kinsman, and the marriage between them was duly solemnized, but Middleton, having had notice of this, watched the bridegroom emerging from the Church, "killed him on the spot, and then carried his mistress away, and married her the same day, so that she was maid, widow, and twice wife in one day." The reader must take this tale upon trust, but the fact of the second marriage is undoubted, and also that the Welsh family alluded to have descended from it.

https://books.google.com/books?id=a28BAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA201&amp...

It seems there is no good reason to show Ursula Price as a child of David Middleton and Ellen Dwn.

“ A further perplexity is that no reason is given for "Middleton" as the
maiden surname of Ursula. Many web databases give Ursula's father as "David Middleton", but I have not found any statement of any reason for this.”

From https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/Lkmv... - which otherwise has good genealogy news about ancestry of John Price, Ancient Planter

I love the information in The Heroines of Welsh History you found, Erica! Always so interesting to come across their stories like that!

There seems to be good info on the Middleton connection but nothing about that Ellen Done being married to Thomas Marshall, is that what you found?

I don't know if someone on Geni copied info from Ancestry or vice versa, but here is what one tree shows on Ancestry, that Ellen Doane was married to Thomas Marshall, so that's possibly how it came about that the Doane family on Geni shows two daughters named Ellen, which isn't reflected anywhere else, as far as I can tell:

Name Thomas Marshall
Birth 1513 Abbotts Ann, Hampshire, England
Death 1598 Abbots Ann, Hampshire, England
Spouse Ellen Doane
Father Nicholas Marshall
Mother Ann Doane
Children Thomas Marshall

My health has begun to make my time online sporadic and I tend to get behind.

The Geni connection that Ursula Price was the daughter of David Middle and Ellen Done is also seen in trees on Ancestry and on Find-a-Grave:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/130732515

But none of the sites perpetuating that are providing any sources to validate the connection.

Elen Dwnn -- married to David Myddelton Hen ("hen" means "the old") -- different Welsh pedigrees give her as either the daughter of John Dwnn or the daughter of Jenkin Dwnn, the son of John Dwnn.

One of the issues is that Jenkin is a later (to my mind, but whatever) name meaning "little John."

I've also seen her as the daughter of Richard Done, but the footnote citation went back to Dwnn's Visitations, so ignore that.

As to Ursula -- what the hell Ursula would be doing as a Welsh name, even this late, I cannot for the life of me imagine*, BUT even more to the point, in the chart I link to first in this message, Dwnn gives several children for David Myddelton and Elen Dwnn, and none of them are named Ursula.

*It's not completely unknown -- the only church dedicated to St. Ursula in Britain is in Wales, for instance, but the name shows up once in the Welsh Genealogies. In the 4th century. So, not a name that's used a lot in Wales.

Too bad for us, this is too late for Bartrum's Genealogies

https://books.google.com/books?id=Ni4BAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA1061&lp... -- this is from Lewys Dwnn's Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches -- but we remind ourselves that Dwnn provides pedigrees as they stand, so his volume contradicts itself. Lots.

https://books.google.com/books?id=LJlOAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA335&lpg...

Well, you know me, Erica. If there is nothing beyond question to validate something, I prefer not to make the connections. It's not impossible, as you've shown, for Ursula to be a Welsh name, but since there are no records of her as the child of the couple she's attached to, I'd say disconnect them unless / until such proof can be put in her profile.