Captain William Lee, Esq. - This profile is in DIRE need of an "About" Cleanup

i am sorry i have no idea about this. so what can i do.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000137101936397&...

Cecilia, don't worry, there's a Project just for this sort of thing. It'll get fixed, eventually.

Looks better now except for the vexatious question of "who was Alice?"

She was NOT the widow of Thomas Felton, who later married William Lea, of Chippoakes and piled up a lot of land-record documentation in and around Surry County c. 1660-1668 (what time Capt. William Lee would have been a child too young to own land at all).

There is a *very remote* possibility that she was the *daughter* of the earlier Alice and Thomas, in which case she would have been a Felton by birth - but unfortunately there isn't a shred of primary documentation to support this theory.

I'm not completely convinced she was for real, and as for the sons...if he *had* sons, why did Capt. William Lee jump through hoops trying to get his estate passed on to Mary Heath? That doesn't make sense.

Strictly speaking, ALL the Lee profiles connected with Richard Lee the Immigrant - ancestors, immediate descendants, and collaterals - require cleanup. They're all full of repetition and in some cases GIGO.

I think it's also necessary to make some points about coats of arms - what they are and are not, and who is authorized to use them.

Many profiles on geni have acquired repetitive notes over the years, and especially from Gedcom uploads. My own method, as seen, is to “spin off” as attached text documents, that way contributions and details are preserved. I can’t promise when I’d be able to do more on the Lees: I follow my own family lines for this kind of clean. But if more of us did it, the sooner it would get done, and anyone can do.

For inappropriate imagery a curator can detag on request.

Jacqueli is back and we have Profile Wars.

Jacqueli is insisting that William Lee DID SO marry Alice Felton widow of Thomas Felton and the PRIMARY INFORMATION that shows her husband MUST have been William Lea of Chippoakes is "WRONG" because SHE refuses to believe it.

This is only possible if Capt. William Lee and Alice Felton were TIME TRAVELERS.

Gotcha.

So - did this Alice Lea have any known children?

Marriage of Richard Lee to Anne Constable: 1641.

Birth of Capt. William Lee to Richard Lee and Anne Constable: 1651 plus or minus at most *ONE* year. PERIOD!

3. Francis Lee (1648–1714) a merchant in England, who married Tamar.
4. Capt. William Lee (1651–1696), who married Alice Felton in 1675 and fathered four children
5. Capt. Hancock Lee, Hon. (1653–1709) of "Ditchley"

First mention of "Wm. Lea and wife, Alice" in Surry County Records document: 4 7ber[September] 1660

A *NINE-YEAR-OLD CHILD* is "married" and able to make legal transactions? In what universe?

Here's the meat of the argument:

10 Nov. 1660

Indenture between Wm. Lea & his wife Alice, and Wm. Heath, planter, of Southwarke Par., Surry Co., for a parcel of land, 150 acres, formerly Thos. Felton's deceased... called Upper Chippoakes in the woods adj. the land which was John Harrye's unto the plantation formerly Robert Moseley's adj. a great swamp which divides Surry Co. and Charles Cittye County, which land was given by sd Thos. Felton in last will & test. to his wife Alice who is now the wife of sd William Lea. Memo. 150 acres lies in Charles Cittye County, adjoining the rest of the divident, which lies in Surry County.

Wit: Robert Spencer, John Gittings

The date is 1660. Captain William Lee was at most ten years old. He *could not* have been married to *anyone*, and could not have bought or sold or owned land *because he was a child*.

In and of itself this is HARD PRIMARY EVIDENCE that the William LeA who married Alice widow of Thomas Felton *was not and could not possibly have been* the same person as Capt. William LeE.

Notice also the flat unsupported statement that Capt. William Lee married Alice Felton *in 1675*.

FIFTEEN YEARS AFTER THE REFERENCES TO WILLIAM LEA AND WIFE ALICE, IN 1660..

Jacqueli has been insisting that Alice's age was not a problem and that she "could" have married Capt. William Lee and had children in the late 1670s.

But Alice *isn't* the problem. It's *William*.

I also notice the colossal irony that when it comes to baptismal records, nothing but the *original* handwritten document is acceptable - but when it comes to land records, transcripts printed and published in books are just fine. Hypocrisy much?

Alice whoever and Thomas Felton *may* have had a son John - Thomas apparently did, but since John was an adult in 1654, that raises even more questions about Alice.

May 2, 1654. Bond of Robt. Morsley to Jno. Felton. Wit. John Harris, Sack. Brewster. (V.C.R, v. xi, p. 31). https://walterfitzgilbertdehamilton.wordpress.com/2020/03/18/busby/

There is no record that Alice widow Felton and William Lea of Chippoakes did or did not have children together. Unfortunately.

I just ran across this obscure tidbit

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/felton/1306/ “ Alice had two marriages: (i) 30 Jun 1655 to Thomas White, (ii) abt 1665 to William C. Lee.The second marriage produced at least on daughter, Mary Lee (b. abt 1670) who married Thomas Heath Lee (b. abt 1665, Northumberland Co., Virginia).That all I have.”

That would refer to Mary (Lee) Schriever.

Mary Schriever

Is Thomas Heath Lee just a typo in the msg?

Do we have a Thomas WHITE?

As to the question of whether Alice and Thomas Felton might have had a daughter Alice (or possibly Mary, since there have also been suggestions that Capt. William Lee married a Mary somebody), no evidence one way or the other.

We have a John Felton in Maryland, 1652:

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~alanmilliken/genealogy/Research/Amer...

1652 - Richard Preston of Patuxent River, Maryland.

May 28, 1652: To the Honorable the Lt. Gen. Laid out for Richard Preston of Patuxent River Gentleman a neck of land in a creek of the said river called St. Leonards Creek and on the east side of said creek formerly called Richman Neck but now Taylors Joy beginning at a point and running east south east up a cove called Feltons Cove for the length of one hundred and fifty perches unto a marked ash next to the land of John Felton bounding on the east with a line drawn north from the said ash for the length of two hundred and fifty perches being the length of the said Felton’s land and then north and by east for the length of two hundred and fifty perches more, on the north with a line drawn west from the end of the north and by east line into the said creek on the west with the said creek unto Felton’s Cove on the south with the said cove containing and now laid out for five hundred acres more or less. Robert Clark- Surveyor.
[Source: Transcript A,F,H, & L, SR 7344, Page 325 on Microfilm]

I call attention to the awkward fact that Capt. William Lee would only have been about fourteen years old in 1665.

"Thomas Heath Lee" is certainly a typo, as Mary "Lee" married a Thomas Heath. Somebody had Lees on the brain.

As to Thomas White(s):

White Thomas 1654 Francis Smith & John Smith Westmoreland
White Thomas 1648 William Edwards & Rice Edwards James City
White Thomas 1653 Col William Clayborne (Sec of State) ???
White Thomas 1638 Joseph Boarne Charles City
White Thomas 1638 Thomas Sawyer New Norfolk

(From Early Virginia Immigrants, 1623-1666 http://www.evmedia.com/virginia/)

Uh-oh, Jacqelin is REEEEALLLY on the warpath and this discussion has been Reported!

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Sorry about that, Leanne.

The John Felton in Maryland 1652 was perhaps this one who arrived “Charles River Shire” VA in 1639:

Per George Cabell Greer, these are some Feltham/Felton immigrants to Virginia in the early 17th century:

Felton John 1639 Capt Nicholas Martian Charles River

That was from http://www.evmedia.com/virginia/

The bottom line is that, once again, we have two different people with very similar names and great difficulty in differentiating them.

William Lea is called "of Chippoakes" because that is the area in which he did most of his land dealing.

A bit about early settlements: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chippokes_Plantation_State_Park

The Ancestors and Descendants of Gresham Lee of Buckingham County, Virginia

Front Cover
Richard Edward Lee
Gateway Press, 1991 - Virginia - 294 pages

Gresham Lee (b. ca. 1745) was born in what is now know as Buckingham, Virginia. He was probably married twice and had approximately six children. Most descendants stayed in Virginia, while others settled in Kentucky, Tennessee and Missouri. Gresham's earliest American ancestor was probably Richard Lee who emigrated from England around 1695.

(Snippet views here)

https://books.google.com/books?id=WQ4xAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwith...+

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That would be this Richard Lee, I & his wife Mary Lee

Author of book is deceased apparently but I think we can find his proofs.

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/lee/3219/

That's another kettle of worms. Much of the evidence rests on a letter from George Washington Lee to his son Abner Grisham Lee on October 9, 1867. It's pretty accurate when he can draw on his own memory, but he's very fuzzy on more remote ancestors - great-grandfather, for instance, would have required two or three more "great"s to put him back as far as the settlement of Jamestown.

OneWorldTree, Ancestry.com, Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc.
Notes
birth-name: Richard Lee
death: 10 December 1726; King, Salem (Independent City), Virginia, United States
birth: 1677;

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That’s it for birth of Richard Lee c 1677.

*Those* Lees, incidentally, have been identified by Y-DNA testing as belonging to the Abner/Jehu Lee family group, who, although they have enough resemblance to the Famous Lees to be some sort of very distant cousins, are not a good enough match to be descended from them. (Not that this will be acceptable to...people who don't want to believe DNA evidence when it contradicts their cherished family lore.)

Salem, Virginia, is out Roanoke County way, that is, way up in the Blue Ridge. Somebody had a real pioneering spirit to go out that far!