Lyman Tucker - Two Y

R-M198 comes from two testers that only tested at entry levels of Y-DNA testing. R-M198 may not be the final designation for these two testers.

R-YP282 is from a tester that tested at medium level of Y-DNA testing and it more likely the final designation for the tester (based on our current knowledge of the Y-DNA tree)

Unfortunately Geni doesn't try to understand the Y-DNA tree. For good reasons, it's constantly changing and different companies don't always keep up to date or use the same tree. I do wish the wording on the page was better about this instead of flat out saying there is a discrepancy.

Jonathan Scott Krengel I am trying really hard to understand the Y.

I trust the DNA and not trees or computers to try to find a match. Trees can be perfect and a different spelling will throw off an app's recognition entirely or a good tree can have a wrong father but the DNA don't lie. I wish wish wish I was more versed in it, the Y specifically.

I work with DNA matches and specific segments to confirm a match to support any branch in my tree and I work from DNA after having done traditional Genealogy for decades. I have more than a basic understanding but that is it for the Y and the new break downs and further break downs are just so much added info...

I have several same name male cousin matches on 23&me that I see are a match to me but not each other and I can SEE in the Y from their 23&me and their tree match to ME that they are indeed related on the male line. Apparently more than the six or so gens the commercial companies will support but the same male line.... sadly they will never see each other in their own matches there.

Remember a few years ago when they changed the classification of storms, hurricanes? (Saffir–Simpson scale)...My brain is just like that... I know several people who are so well versed with the Y that they can tell you where their line changed...There is an excellent documentary available on Youtube from national Geographic about the Y and the mitochondrial researches they have been doing forever... My own third cousin did it. I KNOW his OLD Y haplo...his "new/revised" one, not so much.

I do not mean to create alarm but I am confused and want to bring attention of those who know to look at this tree.

Thank you for the reply! Sometimes a Discussion sits unanswered...

But this is here and someone--more than ONE someone-- cared enough and made the financial sacrifice and then was generous enough to SHARE those results by connecting here on these profiles and I am thankful for that.

I am STILL learning and have no plans to stay stupid in regards to the subject but it is not easy for me...like reading a floor plan on a house. I literally had to walk a lot and walk inside a finished display home before I could wrap my brain around the whole thing. I am visual and conceptual things are not easy to conjure up in three D lol. I am missing the geo-spacial thing that MANY women are missing which causes them to get lost and have to ask for directions...some men have it too but not so much that they will actually admit it and stop to ask a stranger which way to go! lol

Now if the differentiation in Geni and elsewhere would at least START with the SAME letter, that in itself would be helpful as all get-out.

Ok...so going UP that tree, to further back...
That I get.

Hmmm... a thought. WHy would Geni include a further back/up designation if they are the same at the base as the lessor test?
That would indeed be helpful ... like all nurses regardless of their designations and accreditations and degrees, RN comes first. It is the basic. And again why so many say that an LPN/LVN is "not a nurse"...It is very layered...like a military rank. ok. Enough there. I get it...
So the two different Y on these profiles ARE both correct? Good thing there is not a third box Y option.

Geni isn't aware of the Tree itself. It only gets the designation from FTDNA.

That's why Geni is unaware that they share a common base.

Yes, but the Geni gives a platform-- a place to park the designation I wonder if this is something that would be a great idea to work toward some uniformity in the evaluating of the results

ANyway... so are R-M198 R-YP282 the SAME?

I started the Discussion because I did a lot of merging in nearby profiles and hope I nor others have made a bad one or worse.

Also yesterday, I ran across a female Geni user who has a Y and a mitochondrial on her profile and we know it doesn't typically work like that.