William Crump, of Jamestown & New Kent - WHY THIS WILLIAM CRUMP IS NOT THE SON OF THOMAS CRUMP OF JAMESTOWN AND WAS NOT MARRIED TO MARY SPILLMAN

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THE ONLY DOCUMENTED SON OF THOMAS CRUMP OF JAMESTOWN AMD ELIZABETH BUCK WAS JOHN CRUMP.

THIS JOHN CRUMP DID NOT HAVE ANY SONS, THUS NO MALE CRUMP CAN CLAIM A PATERNAL ONLY LINE OF DESCENT FROM THOMAS CRUMP.

WILLIAM CRUMP WAS NOT MARRIED TO MARY SPILLMAN

THERE ARE TWO WILLIAM CRUMP MEN IN THE SAME AREA AT THE SAME TIME WHO ARE NOT RELATED. ONE WAS MARRIED TO FRANCIS MOUNTNEY AND THE OTHER WAS MARRIED TO ANN VAULX.

WILLIAM CRUMP OF NEW KENT COUNTY WAS NOT BORN IN VIRGINIA AS HE WAS TRANSPORTED BY LEWIS BURWELL WHO CLAIMED A HEADRIGHT FOR BRINGING WILLIAM CRUMP TO THE COLONIES.

Y DNA TESTS HAVE PROVED THAT THESE TWO WILLIAM CRUMP MALES ARE NOT CLOSELY RELATED IN TERMS OF HAVING A COMMON MALE ANCESTOR ON THEIR MALE ONLY LINES OF DESCENT.

NEITHER OF THESE MEN NAMED WILLIAM CRUMP WERE THE SON OF THOMAS CRUMP OF JAMESTOWN.

Thomas' surname is recorded in the genealogical literature as Crumpe, Crompe, Crampe and Crumfort. The muster of the inhabitants of James Cittie taken on the 24th of January 1624 records the shared residence of John West, who arrived on the ship, "Bony Bess", and Thomas Crompe. Their inventory included corne (sic-corn), 5 barrells; pease (sic-peas) and beanes, 3 bushells; bacon flitches, 2; peece, 1; swords, 2; house, 1 (Reference: "Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia, 1607-1624/5" by John Frederick Dorman, Vol. I, 4th Ed., 2004, p34.)

Thomas appeared before the General Court on 24 Jan 1624/25 as Sergeant Thomas Crompe and testified that "Mr. Best did first dress Lieut. Harrison's wounde". Thereafter he testified before the General Court at intervals until 1632 as arbiter in a difference over an account, to preserve a will, to prove a will, in 1629 brought suit against William Barnes, a debtor, twice as a member of juries to try cases of murder and concerning the shipment of tobacco. He was Burgess from James City, Feb-March 1631/32, and from The Neck of Land (near Jamestown), 1632 and 1633 as Crampe and Crumpe.

Thomas' patent, 28 Sep 1633, for 500 acres of land in James City County lay in the neck of land bounding east on a creek which runs between the glebe land and the neck and south adjoining land belonging to the orphans and heirs of Mr. Richard Buck. 50 acres being for his own personal adventure and 450 acres for the transportation of nine persons to the colony (headrights) [Ref: Patent Book "I", page 287].

Thomas Crump married, about 1625, Elizabeth Buck, the daughter of the late Rev. Richard Buck. As Thomas and Elizabeth were residens of Jamestown Island from the mid-1620s until early 1632 and apparently did not own land there, they probably occupied the Rev. Richard Buck's property in the eastern end of Jamestown Island, acreage which Elizabeth had a legal interest.

Thomas sold the above mentioned 500 acre tract of land to Elizabeth's oldest brother, Gercian Buck, on 01 Sept 1636 shortly before Gercian attained his majority. Gercian died two years later and his brother, Peleg Buck, inherited the land and repatented it on 29 May 1638. When Peleg Buck died the tract fell to John Crump, son of Thomas and Elizabeth (Buck) Crump, by inheritance and he repatented it on 29 Nov 1654 with additional land totaling 1250 acres. Elizabeth (Buck) Crump was living in March 1654/5.

Thomas died sometime prior to 1652 and was survived by his widow, Elizabeth, and their son, John.

In 1655, Elizabeth (Buck) Crump was sued by John Bromfield, the widower of Bridget (Burrows) Bromfield, who sought to recover his late wife's legal interest in the Buck land holdings in Archer's Hope. It was determined that Bridget, whose late first husband, John Burrows, had been a guardian of the Buck heirs, was entitled to a life interest in the property, but not fee simple ownership, which ultimately descended to the Rev. Richard Buck's male heirs. Elizabeth (Buck) Crump married Mathew Page sometime prior to 02 Dec 1657, having conveyed to him the Archer's Hope acreage that she owned outright (Ref: HEN 1:405 DOR 1:428-429, 784; PB 6:298).

The only documented child of Thomas and Elizabeth (Buck) Crump was John Crump.

"It was previously thought that William Crump of New Kent County was a younger son of Sgt. Thomas Crump (1600-1652) and that he married a daughter of Hannah (Boyle) Hill Spilman Mountney. Subsequent research has established that the William Crump, of Lancaster County, VA, who married Mrs. Mountney's daughter, Frances (Mountney) Crump, was not the same person and that William Crump of New Kent County, who deposed 24 June 1659 he was aged 27 (York Co. Wills, Deeds, Orders &c3, 1657-62, p. 62), had a wife, Anne, who on 24 May 1660 gave a power of attorney to acknowledge the deed whereby her husband had on 08 Nov 1657 assigned to Charles Woodington his right to 500 acres of a patent for 1000 acres in James City County near the Rickohock path, Kiscohonsicke Swamp and Weckenoskeekicke Swamp issued, 26 Jan 1656/7, to him and Mr. Humphrey Vaulx (York Co. Wills, Deeds, Orders &c3, 1657-62, p. 81r), with year of his assignment written "ffifty one"; Patent Book 4, p. 52 [77], was NOT (my emphasis) son of Sgt Thomas Crump. On 12 June 1648 a patent issued to Lewis Burwell named William Crump (of New Kent County) among the headrights (Patent Book 2, p. 181). On 06 May 1659, Elizabeth (Burwell) Vaulx, wife of Robert Vaulx, referred to William Crump (of new Kent County) as her attorney and kinsman. These records with the association with the related Burwell- Vaulx-Woodington families, suggest that William Crump of New Kent County was himself an immigrant to Virginia rather than native born. Descendants of William Crump (of New Kent County) are traced to Elizabeth Hawes Ryland, "A Tentative History of the Crump Family of New Kent County, Va." (typewritten; Richmond, 1949); Malcolm Hart Harris, "Old New Kent County" (West Point, 1977), I, pp. 167-70; William Curry Harllee, "Kinfolks II (New Orleans, 1934), pp. 1188-1209; Marius Randolph Barham and Nellie McLane Barham, "A Crump on Every Stump", (n.p., 1986)" (Source: "Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia, 1607-1624/5" by John Frederick Dorman, Vol. I, 4th Ed., 2004, pp784/5, Footnote #9).

Sources:
1) "Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia, 1607-1624/5" by John Frederick Dorman, Vol. I, 4th Ed., 2004, pp784/5.
2) "Virginia Immigrants and Adventurers 1607-1635 A Biographical Dictionary" by Martha W. McCartney, 2007, pp236/7.

Bio by Gresham Farrar.

I have attached a PDF of the YDNA results so everyone can see them.

Copying over from email from Private User

The parents of this William Crump are at this time unknown.

The fix is easy:

One: The only proven male child of Sargent Thomas Crump is John Crump. Delete William Crump as a son of Thomas Crump

Two: Delete Mary Spillman as a spouse of any William Crump.

Three: Separate the William Crump married to Frances Mountney from the William Crump married to Anne Vaulx as they are different William Crumps. The one married to Anne is sometimes known as New Kent County William. He was originally found in York County. He is the one some researchers tried to connect to Thomas Crump.

The children of William and Frances ( Mountney) Crump were:
1) William Crump, Died unmarried
2)John Crump, Died unmarried
3) Elizabeth Crump
4) Hannah Crump d. 1756
5) Robert Crump
6) Mary Crump m. 11 Sep 1695 John Merriday (Meredith)

Private User

Thank you for bringing this to attention. Please bear with us in getting it done.

Erica Howton I could have done all this but because you have expertise in this area and you are the curator of the profile I felt it best to get you involved. What do you want me to do?

Document the parents of the kids.

I’m trying merge undo and the kids will go flying all over Geni.

Ok Will do.

William and Anne were the parents of Stephen, William, and Richard Crump. They may also have been the parents of Thomas Crump whose death is recorded in the Register of St. Peter’s Parish, New Kent and James City Counties, on March 1, 1726/7. There may have been others, but the record in New Kent is too fragmentary to be sure.

Add to profile for Ann, list their spouses.

Does Stephen Mountney Crump, Sr. belongs to Ann Daulx. Name his parents at the top of the profile. Obviously he’s not a Mountney.

William Crump
m. Ann
1. Stephen Crump (bef. 1658 - ?)
m. Elizabeth
1a. Robert Crump (ca. 1679 - ?)
m. unknown
1a-i. Susannah Crump (bef. 169_ - ?)

I think Susannah Crump is the person we have listed as Hannah.

But the dates don't match. ?

The children of William and Frances ( Mountney) Crump were:
1) William Crump, Died unmarried
2)John Crump, Died unmarried
3) Elizabeth Crump
4) Hannah Crump d. 1756
5) Robert Crump (see below)
6) Mary Crump m. 11 Sep 1695 John Merriday (Meredith)

We will need to probably create new profiles for these children.

Keri don’t worry about dates yet. The important thing in order to move children correctly is to list their parents in the about. The children have to be moved first before the wives are disconnected.

No the hannah is not the susannah. Susannah is Robert's daughter.

This is the new MP for William Crump, of Lancaster County who married Frances Crump

Based on location, their children included Robert Mountney Crump, of Queen Anne’s County - NOT Ann Vaulx.

It looks like to me that the only children of William & Anne were Stephen, William and Richard that we know of so far. As they say Thomas might have been their child too. Do we accept the he was their child but make a note that he may or may not be?

If they were of New Kent they are of Anne Vaulx in theory. We’re missing children of Frances Mountney. And those would be children born in Lancaster VA or Talbot MD. Are all the second generation with the right theoretical mother?

So far yes but like you said we are missing several of Frances' children.

Can you enter them? Based on the Findagrave? Then I can lock relationships. I can’t until we have all the kids in position.

Never mind - I entered the missing children of Frances Crump as shell profiles so I can get these families locked. You’ve been a huge help.

Anytime Erica Howton. Anything else you need me to do?

If you can fill in more detail on those new kids it would be greatly appreciated.

I think there’s a husband for Mary Meredith

https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=614&p...

This John Meredith, who was married to (1) Mary Crump, and (2) Sophia Bayley is well recorded for his time and appears in QA court records from 1723 to 1729, including a 1729 probate record where his wife Sophia was Executrix, and his kin were named, including a son by Sophia, Charles (1720-1763). A son by his first wife was John (1690-1745). They are not known to have descendants in Delaware but it's possible. His brother, Lewis, who was perhaps married twice, once to Letitia, probably his second marriage. As far as is known, the descendants of these brothers were Eastern Shore Marylanders, generally until about the Revolutionary War when they began to migrate elsewhere.

I will do. Also it appears Anne was born after the death of both her parents.

Are we going to add Thomas and Dorothy Pinley ? As wards or create profiles if they do not exist as well as their parents?

I was thinking the same question. Can you figure out their parents? Aren’t they somehow related to Frances mother the hero pioneer woman?

Re dates etc. one can resolve them if unlocked. If not post profile.

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