Humphrey Basse - Children

Tagging Capt. Nathaniel Basse & Dea. Samuel Bass

Bob Barris has kindly provided the will of MARY Basse written July 16, 1616, naming her son Nathaniel Basse. I’ve uploaded it to profiles.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000127940207821&

Erica I have come to the conclusion that Samuel is the son of Humphrey and brother of Nathaniel. I have worked on this for years and the information I have found in wills have convinced me. When I originally posted asking about a document of proof, I was just asking if someone might have something.

Here is something I found in the Woodrough, Floyd research some time ago and I agree with them completly. I highly respect the work of Margot Woodrough an Don Floyd.

Samuel Bass
M, #2268, b. 1598, d. 30 December 1694

Father*
Humphrey Basse b. c 1564, d. 4 Jun 1616
Mother*
Mary Buscher b. c 1568, d. 1616
Relationships
11th great-granduncle of Stephens Blakely Woodrough Jr.
11th great-granduncle of Page Annette Woodrough
Charts
William Basse
WILLIAM BASSE
WOODROUGH KIDLET ANCESTORS
Birth*
1598
Samuel Bass was born in 1598.1

He was the son of Humphrey Basse and Mary Buscher.
Christening
20 August 1598
He was christened on 20 August 1598.1
Death*
30 December 1694
He died on 30 December 1694 at Braintree, Massachusets.2
Living*
16 February 1623
He was living on 16 February 1623 at Basse Choise, Isle of Wight County, VA; He arrived in Jamestown July of 1624.3,2
Residence*
1632
He lived in 1632 at Roxbury, MA.4; Samuel, was an early and prominent citizen of Massachusetts, having arrived in Roxbury about 1632.

Margot:

Thanks a ton! I can already see, just by scanning a few items, that new nuances and hopefully new information may appear. I now believe that Samuel Basse, who lived with Nathaniel in 1623 at Basse's Choice, was his brother and perhaps traveled with him when he when up north on a recruiting expedition. But lo, Samuel stayed in Massachusetts. I have not proved this, but the circumstantial evidence is flooring. This same Samuel Basse, apparently, is listed in Ancestry.com as being an ancestor of John Adams and John Quincy Adams. Samuel was in his 90s when he died, and I checked the dates about a year ago, and they add up as being our Samuel. Put it this way, our umpteenth great grandfather, Humfrey Basse, was an ancestor of two U.S. presidents.

Don

>From: Margot Woodrough
>Sent: Apr 11, 2008 10:00 AM
>To: Don Floyd
>Subject: Books on line

How can we show that the Samuel Basse living with his brother in Jamestown was the same as the Roxbury man? It’s unusual to see Puritans in the Virginia Colony. The men who traveled, perhaps: mariners, merchants, ministers ...

I’d want to understand more about how this happened.

NB are there Y DNA studies to compare?

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/bass/about/background

“ The Basse family were among the earliest settlers of Virginia. Captain Nathaniel Basse was an influential leader of the Jamestown settlement. His father Humphrey Basse, a draper (cloth merchant) of London, was christened 29 Dec 1589 in St. Gabriel Church, London, England. Humphrey's wife Mary Bouchier was born Abt 1568 in Roanne, Lorie, France. The Bass family were members of the Church of England and 14 of their 15 children were baptized in St. Gabriel's and St. Helen's Bishopsgate in London. Humphrey and Mary died within a month of each other and are buried in the Nunnery at St. Helen's, Bishopgate, London, England. The nunnery was destroyed by fire in 1799.”

Looks like the Humphrey line is R haplogroup - R-M269>L47 lineage. I don’t see any Samuel descendancy.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/BASS?iframe=yresults

Difference of opinions can be a good thing in genealogy. This is what I have in my tree about Samuel

Samuel Bass was living in Virginia in 1623 with his brother Nathaniel at Bass's Choice plantation. Sometime in 1623 or 1624 he sailed with Nathaniel to New England. He may have stayed in Massachusetts for a while and then returned to England, or returned to Virginia with Nathaniel and then sailed to England.
We know he was in England in 1625 because he married Ann Saville 24, the daughter of William Saville and Margaret Parker on April 25, 1625 at St Mary's Church Saffron Walden, Essex, England.
There are baptism records for his oldest child Samuel baptized 1626 and second oldest John baptized 1630 in Saffron Walden.
In 1633 Samuel, wife Anne, and children John, Samuel, Mary, and Ann arrived in Roxbury, Massachusetts. The record is found in The Great Migration Begins, Immigrants to New England 1620 - 1633 by Robert Charles Anderson
They became members of Rev. John Elliott's church of Roxbury. Samuel was admitted as member number 78 in the group of 1633 immigrants.
They settled near Hog Bridge. Samuel was made a freeman of the colony May 14, 1634
They moved to Braintree and on July 6, 1640 Samuel was elected the first deacon of the church. He was dismissed and recommended to them by the church of Roxbury. He served as head deacon for more than fifty years.
Samuel died December 30, 1694 in Braintree.
Samuel and the Bass family were Huguenots from France. They fled from France to England when the Catholics were killing Huguenots and were readily accepted by the London community
The churches of Roxbury and Braintree were Puritan, however there is very little significant theological difference between the Puritan and Huguenot religion so he could have very easily converted.
The second and confusing Samuel son of Benjamin and Mary was born in Saffron Walden in 1596 and that is really all that is known about him. There are no marriage records or death records for him or birth or baptism records for his children . I believe he probably died at a young age.
You are correct about Nathaniel's DNA I will write about the wild and wonderful world of Bass family DNA in my next post. I have researched the Bass family for 35 years and there is very little I do not know about them, especially the line from Nathaniel

Bob Barris, what do you have on Nathaniel Basse & Mary Basse ?

Because it looks like he “died without issue” and his supposed many children are a complete FRAUD.

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I’ve run across this:

The Bass Problem

https://laura-knight-jadczyk.com/genealogy/knight-peter.html

John Basse (born Sept. 7, 1616, died 1699 in Virginia), who married the daughter of Chief Robin in 1638, was one of several sons of Capt. Nathaniel Basse and his wife, Mary Jordan Basse. On Aug. 14, 1638, John Basse married Keziah Tucker, "daughter of Robin the Elder of ye Nansemums kingdom, a baptized Christian ..."

This is from the widely propagated manuscript named: "Booke of John Basse Norfolk County Virginia, 1675." This text is just loaded with dates of births, marriages, and deaths, beginning with Humphrey Basse and tracing to the present families in Nansemond (Suffolk) and Norfolk. Apparently, Jesse Lindsey Bass, 1875-1960, was a chief of the Nansemonds. And we are told that Peter Knight married Genevieve Basse, daughter of Nathaniel Basse and Mary Jordon Basse and thereby received Basses Choice land.

However, the finding published by Coldham means, unequivocally, that the "Basse Bible" is a fraud. That's a harsh word, but that's what the evidence shows. There are no birth records for any children of Nathaniel Basse anywhere (other than the alleged Bible), and I've followed Basses in my record collecting and those records (or lack thereof) show that there is no truth to any of that nonsense.

Yes those are harsh words. Why do you believe Coldham's work is so correct ?

I don’t know, one way or another. So far compiling records and opinions because I saw parents given for Mary Jordan I believe are incorrect. So revisiting the tree.

Found this point about the “inheriting sisters” of Luke Basse, brother of Capt Nathaniel Basse.

https://www.geni.com/discussions/181805?msg=1219212

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Aside from the badly worded document, we glean the information that Nathaniel Basse probably died in England (lately deceased) and his brother, Luke Basse, was in Virginia as late as 1654. The sisters were claiming the inheritance of a bachelor brother and were, in no way, claiming anything from Nathaniel Basse (which seems clear from the wording). Obviously, if Luke Basse was living right there in England, it would not have been necessary for this court case.

I don’t think it is too much of a stretch to think that Peter Knight, Merchant, may have been acquainted with Nathaniel Basse in England, nor would it be a great stretch to think that their children might have been acquainted in England.

Much of the work you are referring to comes from the fake Nansemond Indian tree by Fred Bright which has been rescinded.. The Book of John Basse is the Bass Sermon Book on file at the Virginia Archives.

I invite you and any others who are interested to join the Bass Surname DNA study on Facebook and then go to the very extensive collection of Bass family records in the file section. I will notify the administrator and she will approve you.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dnabassstudygroup/

Thanks, Bob. I’m a volunteer curator and not closely related. I’m interested in keeping the geni tree as factual as possible, so will likely go to lurk in the FB group.

Is there a good site for descent from Mary and Nathaniel Basse, if any, that the geni tree can cite?

I strongly suggest the Facebook group I recommended. It is the best place for information about the Bass family.

The suit filed by the sisters was dismissed by the court. The lawyer who filed the suit was the husband of Hester. He later received a certain amount of tobacco from Nathaniel's legal heirs as a settlement for a debt

Nathaniel was a member of Burgess.

By all means Erica read the files from the Bass page. Jeffery Bassett also has an extensive tree on the Bass through his DNA study. I will send a link to that. You might also want to look at the work of Margot Woodrough.

I have been working on the Bass family for 30 years and there is a lot of incorrect information about them. The Facebook group has corrected much of it.

This is Margot Woodrough’s site, I think.

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~woodrough/genealogy/p21.htm#i2272

I’ve put Dea. Samuel Bass as a brother of Nathaniel. Wish he had been named in His mother’s 1616 will but she doesn’t name other children either.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000127940207821. A Samuel is mentioned in his grandmother’s 1620 will: https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000144122537830

https://www.facebook.com/groups/dnabassstudygroup/

Erica Howton it is a Private group
Humphreys family is one YDNA
Bass is diverse.

Per Tanna Jo Bass, Admin of the Bass Surname DNA Study just now:

"The generation of Nathaniel is ydna verified. The children are his. Y verified
John son of Nathaniel has a child with non Bass dna"

Erica Howton "FTDNA Admin has a YDNA verified tree:
http://bassettbranches.org/?fbclid=IwAR3DlqU1OvivcOtB3x-6SniVr3mBvS...;
I am told that "this is a tribal family"

Erica Howton, these trees today rely heavily on the DNA.

Bob Barris Reports today:

We now have projected DNA for Samuel from the Y DNA test kit of a descendant. His Hap group is R1b M269 L47, which matches that of a descendant of (brother) Nathaniel Bass.

It also matches his father Humphrey Bass. I will explain again. This DNA test is from a direct male descendant of Samuel through his son Henry.

Correction Henry was the great great grandson of Samuel and son of Moses. Sorry

I am so hoping to connect my biological line which I recently discovered through DNA to my adopted ancestors which has been researched by an adopted paternal Aunt and cousin for many years, so the information about the ancestors of Annie Lillian Perrin Stagg-( my adopted great grandma )back to Deacon Samuel Bass (1598-1694) was verified to me by them.
If Nathaniel Basse and Deacon Samuel Bass were brothers,sons of Humphrey Basse , then Nathaniel Basse's son John Basse married to Elizabeth --(Nansemond- my biological 9th Great Grandmother, mother of William the Elder, my biological 8th Great Grandfather)-- would also be 9th cousin once removed.

I have posed the Question under Elizabeth's name concerning the question of the surname used for Elizabeth in several references as being Tucker. John Rolfe references the landing of the ship- White Lion- at Point Comfort Virginia with Africans from the Ndongo region of Angola as part of what the ship- Sam Juan Bautista- had at the time on route from a Portuguese Catholic Port in Africa headed to Mexico. On the White Lion were an African couple known only as Anthony and Isabell,whose passage was purchased by a William Tucker on Bluebird Cap Farm on the Hampton River near Kecoughtan. Their son William Tucker was named for the land owner of the same name.

A lot of people at this time named first sons after fathers and grandfathers. Since Natives at this time did not use last names but after marriage when christianized took surnames- is it possible that the Tucker surname list for Elizabeth is a married name?

This William Tucker is the missing DNA link to William,the Elder, Bass. - who is my 8th great Grandfather and his line for me is -from William(married to Catherine Lanier) to John Sr.(1673-1732) to John Jr.(1706-1777) to Jacob Oren (1734-1791) to Jordan to Willis Leland to George Willis to my Great Grandmother Lura Ann (Bass) Merritt Green.

I think this was addressed on another Discussion?
Not sure exactly what you are wanting.
There are several DNA projects that have been important in tracing these lines.
Myths will always remain and get dragged back up again for constant reexamination.
There will always be those who insist Bass is NOT African--- just depends on which line you are from.
A lot of what was documented back in the timeframe of these ancestors was basically untruths that were meant to protect people living at the time.
I would suggest you look at some of the Bass info the Nansemonds have shared and be very cautious with anything giving specific titles or surnames to NA or AA people in the 1600's.
Also, the major Bass researcher I know and trust has passed away. So have many of the Bass descendants I worked with.

Lastly, there are two entirely different women named Catherine Lanier that folks have continued to conflate.
A LOT of work has been done to get and keep Bass and Lanier and Brewer and many other NA and NA adjacent lines as correct as possible here on Geni.

Sam Mahler, Adopted
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Larry Mahler, Adopted Father Connected To Bio Father For Family Tree Purposes; Donald Charles Golie; Doris Ann Mahler (howard), Adopted Mother and <private> Golie (Peressini)

<> Resolve Conflicts

Sam Mahler, Adopted you need to go to your relationship tab and note one set of parents BIOLOGICAL and one set ADOPTIVE

Just a suggestion-- also if you have done DNA, adding your Gedmatch kit and attaching your DNA results from FtDNA can be very helpful. I see you joined Geni in March. Nice to meet you.

I am on ged com with a kit no. and Dna results from ancestry and I am on with my heritage and geneanet and I have a daughter and grand daughter also participating in finding our biological family. So far there are only biological cousin submitting DNA., because of personal reasons my only living biological parent has declined to participate and the one that wanted to is now decease.

I see that geni shows that you are 11th cousin once removed, very nice to meet you too.