Query on Fanny Cochrane

Started by Private User on Tuesday, March 17, 2020
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Fanny Cochrane 1834-1905 appears to be a duplicate of Fanny Smith however she has lots of connected profiles that don't make sense.

* father John Burrows no dates
* father John William Smith no dates
* mother Sarah Tanganuturra Cochrane 1806-1845
* mother Mary Ann (Bugg) Baker - Burrows - McNally - Ward - Burrows [Bushranger] 1834-1905
* mother Charlotte Bugg no dates

* spouse Henry Mylam Cockerill, Convict "Phoenix" 1824 (1806-1873)
* spouse William Smith no dates

Children (no dates)
* Tasman Benjamin Smith
* Private
* Private
* Ellen bugg.
* Patrick William Bugg
* Jane bugg.
* Mary
* Eliza Shung
* Tasman Wilfred (Willifred) Cockerill
* Uknown Cockerill Child
* Eva Cockerill
* mrs Leila Cockerill
* mrs Elsie Cockerill
* Ivy Cockerill
* Eunice Cockerill
* Sydney Claude Cockerill
* Henry William Cockerill
* mrs Frances Neal Smith
* mrs Alice Smith
* Joseph Thomas Sears Smith
* Herbert Wellington Cockerill
* mr Mylam Wellington Cockerill
* Benjamin Smith
* Arthur Cockerill
* Norman Ellis Cockerill
* Roland George Albert Cockerill
* Ernest Augustus Sear Cockerill
* Elizabeth Henrietta Cockerill
* Mildred Eliza Cockerill
* Frederick Wordsworth Ward [Bushranger - Captain Thunderbolt] (1833-1870)
* Marina Emily Ward

There is currently no evidence that she married Henry COCKERILL and the children are listed under his wife Elizabeth JARVIS

There is currently no evidence that she is the mother of Captain Thunderbolt who was born in NSW when she lived in Tasmania. Also Captain Thunderbolt was born 1 year before her.

There is currently no evidence that she is the mother of Marina who is the daughter of Captain Thunderbolt and was born in NSW when Fanny lived in Tasmania

Can anyone provide any information about this profile and the profiles that are attached to it

I have detached Henry Mylam Cockerill, Convict "Phoenix" 1824 and his children
* Arthur Cockerill
* Norman Ellis Cockerill
* Roland George Albert Cockerill
* Ernest Augustus Sear Cockerill
* Elizabeth Henrietta Cockerill
* Mildred Eliza Cockerill

He married Elizabeth VINCENT and Alicia MACLEAY
* Tasmania Marriage Permissions - Henry COCKERILL "Phoenix" permission to marry Eliza VINCENT on 30/4/1832
* Tasmania Marriage Record - Henry COCKERILL married Eliza VINCENT on 15/6/1832 at Green Ponds
* Tasmania Birth Record - Henry William COCKERELL born 28/1/1834 Green Ponds, father Henry Mylam COCKERELL, mother Elizabeth COCKERELL
* Tasmania Birth Record - Dennis Jones COCKERILL born 1/8/1845 Bothwell, father Henry Mylam COCKERILL, mother Eliza VINCENT
* Tasmania Birth Record - Edward James COCKERILL born 16/4/1847 Bothwell, father Henry Mylam COCKERILL, mother Eliza VINCENT
* Tasmania Birth Record - given name not recorded COCKERILL born 16/3/1849 Bothwell, father Henry Mylam COCKERILL, mother Eliza VINCENT
* Tasmania Birth Record - John Francis COCKERILL born 10/1/1851 Bothwell, father Henry Mylam COCKERILL, mother Eliza VINCENT
* Tasmania Birth Record - given name not recorded COCKERILL born 4/11/1852 New Norfolk, father Henry Milam COCKERILL, mother Eliza VINCENT
* Tasmania Birth Record - Francis George COCKERILL born 2/8/1854 New Norfolk, father Henry Mylam COCKERILL, mother Eliza VINCENT
* Tasmania Birth Record - Emma Louisa COCKERILL born 7/11/1856 New Norfolk, father Henry Mylam COCKERILL, mother Eliza VINCENT
* Tasmania Birth Record - Alfred Gower COCKERILL born 27/9/1858 New Norfolk, father Henry Mylam COCKERILL, mother Eliza VINCENT
* Tasmania Birth Record - Alice Ellen COCKERILL born 11/4/1861 New Norfolk, father Henry COCKERILL, mother Eliza VINCENT
* Tasmania Marriage Record - Henry Mylam COCKERILL age 58 married Alicia MACLEAY age 48 on 31/1/1866 Oatlands

I have detached Henry William Cockerill as he is the son of Henry Mylam COCKERILL and Elizabeth VINCENT and also detached his children
* Sydney Claude Cockerill
* Herbert Wellington Cockerill

I have detached Charlotte Bugg - she lived in NSW and not in Tasmania where Fanny was born and lived

I have detached Mary Ann (Bugg) Baker - Burrows - McNally - Ward - Burrows [Bushranger] - she lived in NSW and not in Tasmania where Fanny was born and lived.

Do we have death certicate of fanny cochrane smith please leanne and wlillam smith please

I haven't seen one.

Her father was Eugene or Nicerimic. Her mother was Sarah Tangnaturra.

Here is the "real" profile for Fanny
Fanny Smith
and her attached parents are Nicermenic (Eugene) and Tanganuturra / Tibb / Sarah Ploorenelle

This profile appears to be more an experimental tree - Fanny Cochrane where the user has attached potential relatives to Fanny rather than where they should be. I have tried to move profiles to their appropriate places.
If look at these profiles in profile view you should see a note at the top of the profile saying "This tree has been isolated from other trees on Geni: Tree is speculative / experimental " When you see that note you should consider the tree to be possibly incorrect. If there are any public profiles in the isolated tree that matches to a public profile (or you know where it should really be) then you can let me know and I can try to move it to the correct place.

Private is probably a duplicate of William Henry "Billy" Smith, Jnr but I can't move it because it is private

Private is probably a duplicate of Joseph Thomas Sears Smith but I can't move it because it is private

Private User

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cockerill-55
Herbert Wellington COCKERILL 1860-1940 married Francis HARRISON and they had

  • Eva Mary
  • Gwendoline Elsie
  • Leila Caroline
  • Vera Shirley
  • Bertram Douglas
  • Eunice Violeta
  • Ivy Ismay Frances

These are probably where these profiles belong

Leanne I believe the link with Eugene/Nicerimic, Sarah Tubb Tangnaturra to be the right links, and the right family connections. I have added all the birth, marriage cetificates, and death notices that I have been able to find so far. I believe all her children to be correct. Fanny Cochrane was apparently born with the name Frances Florence Cochrane, but she only used Fanny, as which is what is written on the birth certificates of her children. I have tried to add as much correct information as is possible. What more do you need to keep this profile as the main profile?

The profile has been mastered and relationship locked to stop unsourced family being added.

What is the source for Frances Florence as her name?

Isnt "fanny", a shortened version of Francis ?E.g a nickname

a slang

pet name

etc etc etc....

It can be. It can also be a name.

Supporting evidence is needed to add Frances Florence to her name.

Ok will look into where I found it.

Descendants of Fanny Cochrane

The following are details of the descendents of Fanny Cochrane as extracted

from the book by B C Mollison and Coral Everitt titled

'The Tasmanian Aborigines and their Descendants, Parts I and 2',

Psychology Department, University of Tasmania, 1978

Names her as 1.5 Frances('Fanny Cochrane'), circa 1832 / 1834 - 24. 2.1905

Hi,
What sources does it have?
Leanne

As above Leanne

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