George Gardiner - Wife of George Gardiner

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There is a record of a marriage of Georg Gardiner to Sara Baunin in Stone Arabia Palatine, (Montgomery Co), New York on Dec. 31, 1765. In 1778-1779. She appears to be the mother of the first 7 children born 1766 to 1787. Then there is a gap until Emily was born in 1799 and Nancy in 1800. Their mother was probably his second wife. She probably died around 1800. A woman named Ruth (born between 1754 and 1766) maiden name unknown was married to John Boyce. He died in 1802. They had several children. Ruth then married John Booth in 1803 and he died in 1805. She probably married George Gardiner. George died about 1816 leaving land to Ruth. Ruth married Benjamin Salts about 1820. Together, in 1827, they sold land she had been left by George.

The misunderstanding probably comes from Leavitt's History of Leeds and Grenville. a discussion of the Pennock Family: “Philomon, the elder, raised the following children: Chapman, Elizabeth, William, Mary, Samuel, Philomon Jr., John and George, the latter being a child by the second wife, who was a Gardiner of Yonge, sister of George Gardiner. Mr. Gardiner’s wife was a Morey, Samuel Morey having arrived in Upper Canada about the same time that the Pennocks did, also coming from the same part of Vermont.”

The wording is not clear as to which George Gardiner married a Morey or what her first name was. However, there is ample documentation that George, jr. was married only to Anna Coleman. This makes it appear that George Sr was married to a Morey and we know from his will that his wife was named Ruth. Therefore, the reasoning goes, his wife must be Ruth Morey.

Another researcher and I have done extensive research on “Ruth Morey” and find no evidence of her existence. George’s daughter, Sarah, was married first to Samuel Morey and then to Philomon Pennock. Since the above statement comes in the middle of a description of the Pennock family, I think Leavitt meant to say that Sarah Pennock was married first to a Morey. He probably wrote “Gardiner md Morey” and when expanding the write-up forgot that it was Sarah Gardiner who was married to a Morey not George Gardiner.

I am trying to place my relative George Gardner? who fought in the Revolutionary War for Great Britain. He went to Canada after the war. He is the father of my relative Nancy Gardner born in 1800 in Canada. I am unable to find proof of his parentage. Also when and where he was born. Do you have information on these things. Thanks, Ann Droy bfdroy@aol.com.

George Gardiner was the son of Henry Gardiner and Ann Chapin. He was born 3 Jan 1739.. This is on Ancestry (Rhode Island Vital Extracts). If you go to the Gardiners of Narragansett you will find this family and can follow them back to the infamous Herodious Long. For some reason George was left out of the book (which slowed my research by decades!) but he definitely seems to belong there.

I have several questions! The Silver Book John Howland of the Mayflower Volume 1 lists a George Gardiner was born 3 Jan. 1739 to Henry Gardiner and Ann Champlain, which would make him a direct descendant of John Howland.
1. Why would someone with such deep roots in the country fight for the British in the revolutionary War?
2. This George Gardiner was born in Rhode Island but the UEL George Gardiner was born in Vermont (according to the UEL paperwork).
3 There was a George Gardiner born in Vermont 18 March, 1745. How do we know that this George Gardiner is not the father of Nancy Clow?

Many families with deep roots in the US did not want to separate from England. The province of Ontario was populated with people like this.. On my Canadian grandmother's side I have the Shipman family of CT, the Jackson and Seaman families from Long Island and George Gardiner, all of whom date back to the 1600s in America. These people are often left out of genealogies. I think many descendants considered them traitors.

I am well acquainted with George Gardiner of Pownal, VT. For a long time I was sure he was my ancestor and Barry Gardiner jointed the UEL based on his information. What finally made me give him up was the fact that George's children born on Pownal are well documented. I don't have all the info on them but a Wikitree tree says they are Amy (Gardner) Sherman, Sarah (Gardner) Sherman, Oliver Gardner, John Gardner, Else Gardner, Susannah Gardner and Mary Gardner. I think that is about right. George's children in Canada are also well-documented in the petitions. They are John, Catherine, Ann, Sarahm Jean, George a Martha. We also have George's will. They just aren't the same.

The second killing blow was the fact that George died in Pownal in 1839 and is buried there. He was well documented because he was 100. Canadian George's grave has not been found but there is no indication he returned to Vermont to die and his will is in Canada, dated 1816

Barry Gardiner worked with me a lot last year on Mrs Gardiner. He now agrees that the George in Pownal is not ours but, unfortunately, it is in the records and will never be removed..

The Gardiner book says George b 1745 was the son of George and Sarah Boss. There doesn't seem to be much information on this line. There is some at https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Boss-Descendants-464
George's son, John, is a bit of a mystery but I figure he was born about 1766 at the latest. The George born in 1745 would be a little young to be his father bur not impossible. I have mentions of George in Balls Town, NY but no proof where he came from.

I would certainly welcome other thoughts!

I agree there was a George Gardiner born to Ann Champlain and Henry Gardiner, although it appears that this George died as a teenager and did not have any descendants. I find several George Gardiner's born between 1739-1745...at least 3. Nancy Gardiner Clow was born in 1800 to George Gardiner and ???? It seems that George was married twice, his oldest children being born to his first wife. Barry gave me so tips on that and the last two children, Emily and Nancy born to the second wife, Ruth??. The find a grave memorials have been removed, but I don't believe George went back to Vermont to be buried, nor that he lived to 100. I am just frustrated by the circular information, people posting things obviously without reading them!!

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gardiner-1476 If this is true, then this George Gardiner could not be the father of Nancy Gardiner Clow.

There is no source for the death date of 1756.I will see what I can find on him.

Have you had your DNA done? I obtained the Henry and Elizabeth information from several DNA matches. Niamh Diebold. maintains several accounts. Her father found the birth date for George and connected it. I have a 63 cM match with Bridgette Jobe on FTDNA (maintained by Niahm). Her dad's paternal grandfather was Vernon Helmer Scott (1914-42). I have a 57 cM match with D E Scott jr on FTDNA and Ancestry and 29 cM match on GEDMATCH with DE Scott. I also have a 52 cM match with John Tordiff on FTDNA and Gedmatch. All of these trace back to Catherine Gardiner, sister of Nancy.

Vernon Helmer was adopted but the certificate had the mother's name. That line went Edna Leona Hunt, Jane McNish, Lavenia Purvis, George Purvis, Catherine Gardiner. All of these people may be using the same information so it isn't proof.

I do believe the George who went to Canada was the one living in Ballstown and the one who married Sarah Braunin in 1765. George's brother, Henry (#451 in the Narragansett book) son of Henry #120, moved to Stephentown, NY which isn't very far from Ballstown. He died there in 1821..

Another puzzle in the Gardiner family is George's oldest son, john. He received land in his own name, not as a son which made me think he would have to be born in 1760 (in order to be 16 by the start of the Revolution) with his father born by 1740. However, his death notice indicates he was born about 1766.. I have done a lot of research on possible John Gardiners. I have written up my conclusions (but no answers) on five possible Johns. Would you like me to send you a pdf file covering this?

I also have written a summary of George's wives. I think there were 3 with the last being Ruth, I can also send this is you haven't seen it.

I found this on FindA Grave

GEORGE GARDINER
BIRTH 12 Jul 1745
South Kingstown, Washington County, Rhode Island, USA
DEATH 1823 (aged 77–78)
South Kingstown, Washington County, Rhode Island, USA
BURIAL Unknown
Parents:
Ezekiel Gardiner
1712–1780
Dorcas Watson Gardiner
1716–1785

Here is a Scandinavian version:
https://fam.lynge.de/getperson.php?personID=I809&tree=tree001

Another George born in 1745 was the son of Sarah Boss and George Gardiner. Sarah boss was the daughter of Amy Gardiner who married Peter Boss.

There was a lot of intermarrying and many contradictory records but I think they all go back to the same immigrant!.

If George Gardiner is a Pilgrim descendent, then he would be fairly able to prove as someone would have joined the Mayflower Society through his family. I have the Silver book listing the first five generations of Desire Howland. There is a George Gardiner in the book, but it stops at that generation. If he had children that led to us, we would be able to prove it. I have proved and joined through another line to Desire Howland.
I am also a Shipman descendent. I have contacted the John Howland Society to see if there what the lineage they have from George.

I also have DNA matches to people who list all George Gardiner's in their tree making it more difficult because I haven't found anything that proves this George Gardiner!

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