Richard Newton - Origins and Parentage Unknown

Started by Tamás Flinn Caldwell-Gilbert on Tuesday, February 4, 2020
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Hello,

I am starting this discussion because the origins of Richard ‘of Sudbury’ Newton, of Sudbury and Marlborough, MA are unknown.

From Wikitree: "The factual sources for Richard Newton state that Richard's origins, date of birth and parents are unknown[1] [2]. A modern researcher concluded the same, after a personal examination of the archives in St Mary Bures, England in 1989[3] [4]. Any claim of knowledge of birth date, place or parents should be accompanied by credible sources, citing specific documents and facts from the period, rather than online statements such as those noted below. When a source is found, allowances should be made for the existence of other men named Richard Newton in England at that time.

The 2013 Early New England Families article[2] sums it up nicely:

"Richard's age at death is given in the town records as "almost a hundred years old," which most likely was a general estimate for a very old man. He had outlived his wife, who would have been the most knowledgeable on the subject. Assuming he was in his 90s when he died in 1701, his birth might have been anywhere from about 1601 to 1612. If born in 1601, his marriage in 1636 would have been at age 35; if born 1612 he would have been 24". "
Source - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Newton-105

One of the multiple sets of unsourced parents associated with Richard Newton, and the one which is shown here on Geni, is Robert Newton and Carrol Ann Newton. This would make Richard Newton of Massachusetts an uncle of the famous scientist, Sir Isaac Newton. Unfortunately this connection is incorrect. According to Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, Sir Isaac Newton's grandfather did have a son named Richard, but that Richard of Sudbury Newton, 1609, of Colsterworth, England, was buried in Colsterworth in 1665 and did not emigrate to the Americas. Richard Newton of Colsterworth also had children born after 1639 (the year the other Richard Newton first appears in Massachusetts records) in England. See https://archive.org/details/miscellaneagenea01unse/page/172/mode/2up

The birth date of April 09, 1609 which Richard ‘of Sudbury’ Newton of Massachusetts has on Geni is actually the baptism date of Richard Newton, of Colsterworth, see https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=9841&h=5895456...

The exact birth date of the immigrant Richard Newton is unknown and the only clue is a remark that he was "almost a hundrid years old" when he died in Marlborough, MA. Source - http://ma-vitalrecords.org/MA/Middlesex/Marlborough/Images/Marlboro...

Unless someone can come forward with primary sources to support possible parents for the immigrant Richard Newton I propose that we detach him from the parents currently listed for him and list his parents as unknown.

Sincerely,
Tamas Caldwell-Gilbert

https://archive.org/details/newtongenealogyg00leon2/page/n13/mode/1up seems a thorough, accessible and early study. Origins unknown; no first wife; death in 1701.

No relationship to Sir Isaac Newton.

Makes sense to me.

Makes sense to me.

I was wondering why I suddenly had so many new-to-me lines showing up on my ancestor report! :)

Yes, let's cut.

I think that these sources need to be included on the "About" section. The Newton Genealogy that Erica Howton posted is just a fascinating read. I can post them if you all are busy. :-) Thanks for sorting all.

Biographies and references are always welcome.

I posted the sources at the bottom, but I may need to do a print out to make sense of it to edit as a lot of repetition and even a request for help in the middle. I am a collaborator with one of the 63 managers, but just hope no one gets upset if I try to make it read sensible later.

I will print out the "About" section tomorrow and then try to determine what to do with it as it is a real mess of duplicated and in some cases wrong info. It will take a paper and pencil, I fear. After that, I will let you know and maybe make the cuts on parents as needed. Thanks, Susanne

OK, I printed it out and most of the duplicated mess is just that - " a duplicated mess." I think we could almost just cut out all that is written in the About section and copy and paste what Tamás Flinn Caldwell-Gilbert has noted in his first post above and have a clean profile. May list the known children and disconnecting his incorrect parents.

I am not a manager of this profile, but a direct descendant and a collaborator with only one of the 60+ profile managers. I don't feel that I have the right to do all that, but I think it needs to be correct. It would be nice if one of the 60+ managers would do it. Any thoughts on how????

I siphoned off the old overview and saved it to the profile here:

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000121952178821&...

Can you add text about his family to the new “about” ?

There is some sort of overlay on it. I love the new profile though!

I will see about adding the accurate parts.

See if it reads ok now. Erica Howton

Good! Thank you, everyone.

I have a question about Richard Newton (and Ann Loker) arrival in the US. On Richard Newton's geni page under the section "Undisputed Facts" is says he arrived in America on the Susan and Ellen in 1935. However, when you follow the link to the ships passenger list he does not appear on them (nor Ann Loker). I've also gone through many of the ships passenger lists on OliveTree https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa1630-1640.shtml between 1630-1640 and don't see a Richard Newton. I don't see a Richard Nuton (common mispelling) either.

Is there another resource for these undisputed facts? Richards arrival in the USA does not appear in Ermina Leonards 1915 book on the Newton's. She states "future" geneaologists will know more. Oops.

When people asked about my last name and if I was related to the king of nerds, I'd always say "No, we're from the other line in the tree...the dumb one" glad to see my guess was right.

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