Working together

Create at least one duplicate, then do a merge between the duplicates. Then the connection on that branch will be made.

Both of you are on the Geni World Tree so all profiles are on the same tree, the branch is just missing a connection.

Hi Jonathan, thanks for answering. But we allready have profiles which we merged after they were double. That's how we figured it out by the way.
But i don't know what he wants. He only wants to do it part by part when it comes to question. But that's no way of working, is it ?

Strange man, sorry.

Daniel Luc Florent De Geest -- I am unclear -- when you say you "have a lot of profiles belonging to my partners family which are in the tree of Mr Meijnaerts" -- what do you mean?
Are you talking about Private Profiles that you are unable to edit because Geni does not see them as in your Max Family and you are not a Manager?
Or are you talking about Private Profiles that you can edit, but that he is listed as a Manager of and you are not?

Is their a Profile of your Partner in Mr. M's tree? If so, that would be the one to merge. Once that is done, then all the profiles in his family will be in your Tree as well as Mr M's, and you will have full access, at least out to 4th cousin and back to your partner's 3rd great grandparents.
Or are you looking for something way further out than that??

If he does not have a duplicate of your partner -- you want to make sure to ask for the merge on a profile that is blood kin of your partner if possible - preferably the closest one he has to your partner, and not the spouse of the blood kin of your partner-- because - merging blood kin of your partner will likely bring additional profiles into your/your partner's Max Family, so you can then merge them

Also - be aware,
1) Geni will only send ONE message about a suggested merge per day -- so do not click on a whole bunch at one time --
choose one, and choose it carefully so if it is approved, you will then be able to do more merges on your own, without his approval -- OR will gain access to the profiles of its siblings/spouse/children without creating duplicates [because Geni will then see them correctly related to your partner]

2) You are a Pro -- when you go to your merge center and click to see the suggested merges, you get info on the suggested merges. There is no indication he is a Pro.
When a Basic User clicks to see a suggested merge, he just gets an Ad for Pro.
So - you need to find a way to work slowly and carefully with him.

rereading - see -- you state you sent him "a message some mounths ago with demand to work together so that i don't have to create doubles."

A plea, rather than a demand, might have been a better approach

Hi Lois, I'm unable to edit them because Mr M doesn't want to agree a "working together" contract as i do with so many others. So each time when I add on that part of the tree (which i don't know exactly when or where, it comes in my research) than i have a merge proposition. a few days later i go further and again i have some merge propositions. This takes lot of time while it could be done easier when Mr M just agreed as working together, than all his profiles become open. They want to do a reunion from that part of the family as i allready did with my American part but than i really have to have correct tree.

This is what mr M answered mounths ago ! You will see that he doesn't like Geni and is out also. So it isn't bad will from me but from him i think :

Beste Daniel,
Lang geleden toen ik nog veel kon en mocht bij Geni, ben ik ook geconfronteerd geweest met allerlei fouten in de stamboom. De enigste oplossing was dan als amateur om zoveel mogelijk manueel recht te zetten. Maar nadien is Geni van amateurs allerlei bevoegdheden en toegangen gaan afnemen, en bovendien waren sommige correcties die ik wilde uitvoeren totaal onmogelijk. Achteraf heb ik ook vastgesteld dat professionals in Geni buiten mij om allerlei profielen en standaarden gaan veranderen en mergen zijn met alle gevolgen vandien. Ik heb het dan ook opgegeven om in Geni nog veel tijd en energie te steken want dan moet je om goed te zijn ook professional worden en daar veel geld voor gaan betalen.
Wat ik wel ka doen is voor profielen van de familie Alaerts waar jij niet aan kan en ik manager van ben, u ook manager maken als ik dat nog kan.

Daniel,
Times ago when i still was able to do a lot on Geni, i was in front of a lot of problems in the tree. The only solution as a beginner was to do as much as possible manual to clear up things. But than Geni started to stop possibilities from beginners, and on top of that some corrections i wanted to do were not possible. Later i noticed that curators from Geni had done corrections and merged people just the way they thaught with all the conflicts that followed. So i stopted to put lot of energie in Geni because you have to be really good, spent much time and pay a lot to be allowed. What i can do is to make you a co-profile owner from the Alaerts part, iff i'm still possible to do so.

So, what can we do ???

Greets,
Daniel

And sorry to all, my English isn't pro ! I'm a small Belgian guy doing my best and loving Geni !

Daniel Luc Florent De Geest - he offered to make you a co-Manager for the Alaerts part -- that sounds like it ought to be good. What else do you need?

Also - you say he "doesn't want to agree a "working together" contract as i do with so many others" -- I have never heard of any such thing. Can you give more details on it and on how you implement it on Geni?
Is it used in conjunction with being Collaborators and/or being in each other's Family Group or ??

For me his proposition is good but he doesn't move. I see nothing changing and when i create more profiles that part of the tree than we have to merge, it is Always twice the work no ? Am i the only one having this problem. And in the meantime a curator mounths ago told me that there were so many merge problems in people connected to me. She helped a lot than.
Working together is a proposition that you can send to people you add in your tree and than all the profiles they have "private" and "open" can be seen by both. And we are immediatly both managers and so on. What doesn't belong to me i don't need but when we can simplify the work it would be better no ?

Daniel Luc Florent De Geest - If I understand correctly, you are asking to Collaborate with him and to become a member of each other's Family Group -- giving you full access to see and fully edit and merge, on just your own choice, every profile where he is a Manager - there is no way I would do that with anyone, so I certainly cannot fault him for not doing so.
On the other hand - you refer to a "Contract" but I have never seen any such, and you give no information on what that actually consists of nor how it could be enforced or etc.

Any Profiles that are Public you can see and edit already. And you can click Manager Options and request to be made a Manager - and it sounds like he will grant your request.
So -- are Public Profiles a problem, or is the 'Problem" just with Private Profiles?

Ah - I said "you can click Manager Options" -- to get that choice - first click "Actions" in upper right of the Profile

Well oké than, no problem. I can't understand that creating doubles is so funny. On one side there is a discution and people getting mad when there are doubles created in the Medival profiles. But here in your family it doesn't seems to be a problem. Well, i don't know anymore what to do than. Not so long ago a curator told me he had more than 600 hanging profiles to be merged, now it seems normal. I think i will leave Geni also iff this is the spirit. We can't get further this way. We create doubles, than you see a tree where parents have 8 children where it only could be 4. 4 are open profiles and 4 are not, that's crazy. So you can't merge them neighter. Collaborating with someone, you wouldn't do so ???? wooow. I do that with many people and others with me. And i still have to convince people to do so because they work in my family but with wrong add's. Without collaborating you get noware. I do genealogy for years now but this makes me really sick. I'm down seeing this and looking to a tree with lots of uncorrect items. I came from MyHeritage to Geni maybe i should quit. Will think about it. This was great help. You do right things and you become the bad one. Woooow ! Sorry i disturbed you Lois

How can you work on a tree without collaborating...…. must be nice.

Private

This is one example where i have more info and print !
Henriette Verheyden born in 1910 and died in 1931.
I'm sure due to the fact i can see parents. So as i understand i have to create double now to have the possibility to bring it into my tree ? Crazy !!!! but okay i'm doing

Daniel Luc Florent De Geest - No, you should NOT be creating duplicates!!
It is definitely NOT okay to be doing that.

I believe collaborating with someone means talking things over with them and deciding what changes should be made, etc. That I do. Geni's idea of "collaboration" means giving others blanket permission to make any and all changes they want to Profiles one manages, without saying boo to one -- and also giving that permission to their "trusted collaborators", I believe. That I do not do.

As to one of your comments -- if you create a Public Profile in the World Tree of a Private Profile that I manage, then I can merge my Private Profile with your Public Profile without needing any permission from anyone else. What is more, if the profile is within my Max Family and not within your Max Family, I can remove you as a Manager. And if it was born within the last 150 years, it is my choice whether to then take and keep it Private. So do not waste your time creating duplicates in such situations.

Explain to me how Henriette Verheyden is related to you, and I will see if I can suggest a way to bring her into your tree without creating duplicates.

Are either of her parents related to you within what Geni considers Max Family?

To late Lois, i continue my tree and correct and created doubles more complete than his !
Sorry for that but i am more complete AND family through my husband Ivo.

Thank you for reaction but i don't talk anymore with mr Meijnaerts !

What or who is Max family ?

Daniel

I hope you understand that i want to see my family tree and that i don't wanna see private profiles in it. We work together with a lot persons this way and we all see our profiles, all of them and continue completing when we have something to complete. Nice as it should be.

;-)

(third try to get correctly written so both are links]
This is one profile you have for Henriette Verheyden - created today - Henriette Verheyden . - Profile ID ends 1100
and this is another for her you also created today Henriette Verheyden - Profile ID ends 2977
WHY would you create both of these?

Looked up path between you and the profile with ID ending in 1100 -- it connects to you thru your partner -- BUT it is not in your Partner's Max Family, it is not Blood Kin to your Partner.

What has that to do with it. They are connected both families see each other still, i don't know you know how small Belgium is, everybody knows everybody. And what is Max Family ? i don't understand.
i merged my two Henriette's today while i was busy !
Sorry i have to continue

"Max Family" is the Maximum Setting you can choose for your Family Group - it is out to 4th cousin, back to 3rd Great Grandparents -- outside of that, you have no more "rights" to a profile than anyone that is not related to that profile.
Inside that range, you can see all Private Profiles, and edit any that are unclaimed.

According to Geni, these Profiles you are creating are only connected to your husband Ivo thru multiple marriages -- so are not actually in his Family. Is there a path between them and Ivo that does not go thru multiple marriages?

To me, it sounds like that wanton purposeful creation of duplicates - including duplicates of the duplicates you have created - is totally wrong - and verges on Vandalism.
Erica Howton - could you take a look at what Daniel is doing, and see if it is totally reasonable, as he feels?

WHAT ??? Ask Geert Mareels what i'm doing, he know's about our families.

Ask Lieve Baert what i'm doing ! We have no problems like this and work all together.

Erica Howton, welcome to look into my tree. You will see i have a lot of family in Ohio. Maybe people you know ?
You will see my cuz Dan Isla started it here on Geni and i come over from MyHeritage with three big family trees. The Van Paepeg(h)em site, the De Geest - Fermon site and The Alaerts - Verheyden site. I payed me sick in MyHeritage so i came to Geni because people told me it was easy, friendly for users and much less in doubles. MyHeritage is one big doubled trippled tree. I'm working with Red Star museum, with White Star, with other sources but need confirmation before i bring into tree. So what can i do wrong than ?

I do have family in Ohio, but Ive only met them on Geni. :)

I do a lot of tree building so link in distantly. If living family comes along i relinquish management to preserve their privacy. But thats not the issue here, it seems - looks like a semi active manager so you cant link the trees up properly.

Ive seen you around geni for many years, Daniel, & know you are honorable, so glad to see you're a fan. Do you know how to stack merges? (Drag and drop matching profiles on top of each other to generate a merge request). If youve done that perhaps i can go through your merge center and try and get a bunch done for you. Once the trees are linked you should be able to build missing profiles, but id also need you to follow up and resolve data conflicts.

And please link into this discussion a profile you are especially eager to get resolved; ill start there.

Also - our curator in Belgium is not currently active but shes taught me enough to know the sources you mention are valid. And we have several from Netherlands, if you run into language & genealogy questions. I may draft their help anyway to make sure im merging right.

If i may bother Job Waterreus if there's anything he can add about Daniel's collaboration question, etc.