Ralph Reresby - No sources for his birthdate of 1430 or birthplace of Lincolnshire.

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I've been working on part of the Eyre family lineage, and ran across a problem with the birthdate for Ralph Reresby, of Thribergh, Yorkshire, Esquire -- the father of Elizabeth Eyre (Reresby)

There is another Ralph Reresby, who is not her father, but shares the same birthdate. The 1430 birthdate causes an inconsistency with his mother's Agnes Stapleton age, so I suspect it is in error.

I solved the inconsistency by deleting his mother's birthdate (which was also given without any source), however, the son's profile is MP, so I hesitate to change his birthdate without discussion.

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000...

There is also a third Ralph Reresby, Esq. who is the grandfather of Elizabeth Eyre (Reresby).

Furthermore, there is a problem with the wives of the father and son Ralph Reresbys, both of whom are married to two different ladies with very similar genealogical profiles:

Agnes Stapleton

Agnes Stapleton

At this point I realize I need some help with this. Thank you!

I found the Reresby family pedigree chart, in "The Visitation of Yorkshire, made in the years 1584/5 and 1612" which is exciting for me; however, this official pedigree doesn't match up perfectly with the one listed on Geni.

I'm going to post snapshots of the pedigree on Ralph and Elizabeth's profiles, for future reference, but here's the link anyway. It's a great resource, and has only recently been made available to the internet public.

https://archive.org/details/McGillLibrary-hssl_visitation-yorkshire...

According to "Visitation of Yorkshire", Ralph Reresby of Thribergh (d. 20 Henry VIII [1529])...

was the father of Elizabeth Reresby (m. first John Bosvile of Newhall; m. second Edward Eyre of Holme)...

and husband of Margaret FitzWilliam of Aldwarcke (d. July 25, 1505)...

And his parents were...

Ralph Reresby of Thribergh, [Esquire] ("a lawyer"), who died July 1, 1466...

and Agnes Stapleton of Wighill

Here is the Will of the Ralph Reresby in question (p. 245):

https://books.google.com/books?id=8AAVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA65&lpg=...

CLXXXV. THE WILL OF RALPH RERESBY, ESQ., OF THRIBERGH.

[Reg. Test. ix. 386.]

March 9, 1527-8. Radulphus Reresby, armiger. Sep. in eccl. par. de Thribarghe, ante altare B. M. V.

...I make my executours . .Thomas Wentworth of Wodhouse hall, my sone in lawe EDWARDE EIRE, and my sone, Thomas BOSWELL of the New Hall, Esqueours ; & THOMAS RERESBY, my sone and heire apparente, supervisour.

...To my doughtour EIRE a spone for grene gynger and my best white pece, single.

By the way, it appears, judging from the text of the will, that Ralph's son and heir apparent, Thomas Ruresby / Reresby, III preceded his father in death, so died sometime between the making of Ralph's will and the proving of it.

Because Thomas was named as one of his father's executors in the will (in addition to being his heir apparent), then later reported as having died before his father, requiring the will to be updated.

"Where afore this tyme I have enfeoffed Thomas Wentworth of Wodhouse esquier, Edwarde Eire esquirer, nowe lyvyng, and also John Baxter and Thomas Reresby, nowe deid..."

Thus the will proceeds to name Ralph's young grandsons through the predeceased Thomas Reresby, "Rauf" and "Lionel" as co-heirs to his estate.

The will was proven on April 18, 1528.

I've presented a lot of resource material to make the appropriate corrections to the relevant profiles, and don't mind doing the work myself, with permission and approval from all other interested parties.

I just wanted to allow everyone plenty of time to study the problems with this section of the family tree, review the resource materials, and make your own contributions if you prefer.

But if there's nothing to discuss, and no objections by next weekend, perhaps I shall make time to revise those profiles. I'm sure I would enjoy the process ;)

"Thrybergh – which is mentioned in the Domesday Book – was given to William de Perci, [3] a chief aide to William the Conqueror and founder of the well-known Percy family, after the Norman conquest of England in 1066.

"The estate was passed on to the Normainvilles around the year 1200, and it remained with them until 1316, when Sir Adam Reresby became Lord of Thrybergh.[4] For the next 400 or so years, an unbroken succession of sixteen generations of Reresbys held their place in Thrybergh.[5]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrybergh

"St Leonard's has a nave built in the eleventh and twelfth centuries, with later windows, a fourteenth-century chancel, and a fifteenth-century tower on the west end, topped by a spire. The building was extensively renovated in 1871 and 1894, and a vestry block was added prior to 1970.

"Internally, it contains a number of tombs and wall monuments, including the tomb of Ralph Reresby, who died in 1530, and a noteworthy monument to Lionel Reresby and his wife Anne, who died in 1587."

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/196862307/ralph-reresby

Findagrave has father and son Ralphs buried at St. Leonard's Old Churchyard.

The younger Ralph Reresby's date of death is given as 14 Apr 1528 (Wikipedia is off by two years).

The elder Ralph died 1 Jul 1466

Margaret FitzWilliam Reresby died 25 Jul 1505

There are three Thomas Reresbys at St. Leonards. The eldest is probably Ralph, Jr.'s grandfather; the other two (neither of which show a date of death which would precede Ralph, Jr.'s) are likely his son and grandson.

So there is conflicting data surrounding the date of Thomas Reresby's death (Ralphs son and heir apparent). On the other hand, I don't know anything about the circumstances or location of Thomas's untimely death, so there's a slim chance he is not one of the Thomases buried at St. Leonard's

Likewise, those are the only Thomas Reresbys I find on Findagrave; and there's also a chance the death date(s) are in error.

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